Cry call this river?

[JJack]

$0.50/$1.00

CO ($63.10) (Hero)
Button ($4.90)
SB ($17.47) 28.4/6.36/0.89 - 230 hands
MP2 ($11.40)


Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP2 calls,

My PAH goes down for a moment and I didnt have stats at tables and I did not so good iso-raise with quite loose SB.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ( 4.5BB )
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, Button calls,

Here Im not sure I have equity to raise so I just call (also can be behind vs bigger pocet pair, 2 pair or str8).

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( 6.5BB )
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>,

I think turn card doest change much so I keep calling, if Im not ahead I probably have 5 outs.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ( 9.5BB )
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls,

Now any 3x hand has str8, but pot is big and there wasnt any aggression so I make cry call.

Final Pot: 11.75BB

[00Snitch]

Flop: Well yes, you can also be behind a set or 32, but what makes you think they hold any of those hands? What makes you think they have a higher PP? because one guy open limped and one guy cold-called preflop?

I raise the flop. There is a good chance I have the best hand and will get called by worse hands, I would like to buy position, we can trap MP2 for another bet with what looks for all money to be a drawing hand, If I happen to be behind 2pair, I have some outs.

One thing I'm wondering about is... If we raise the flop can get called by SB and the turn comes a heart (especially a scary one like 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]), do we check behind? I never know when to check behind on the turn.

edit: I forgot to add, I don't think this river is a crying call. You are worried about someone having a straight? Well, if SB had the straight, you were beat the whole time, and if MP made his straight on the river, he would have raised.

[OziBattler]

raise the flop for multiple reasons (eg value, protection and ...**shudder**...information)

you'd really want to knock out as may overcards as possible....getting button to fold would be a good result. also you raised preflop and raising represents strength...your hand becomes easier to play from that point on because if they play back they are saying
a. I Dont care if you have an overpair
b. Im a moran...donkamadonk!

you played your hand like 2 overcards and he could well think he is value betting TP with a worse kicker yadayadayada

[Dankenstein]

:g:
I'm raising this flop. You have top pair top kicker on a board that your opponents are most likely going to be drawing at. Charge them for their draws and try to push out overs. If you're 3-bet then back off.

[JJack]

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raise the flop for multiple reasons (eg value, protection and ...**shudder**...information)

you'd really want to knock out as may overcards as possible....getting button to fold would be a good result. also you raised preflop and raising represents strength...your hand becomes easier to play from that point on because if they play back they are saying
a. I Dont care if you have an overpair
b. Im a moran...donkamadonk!

you played your hand like 2 overcards and he could well think he is value betting TP with a worse kicker yadayadayada

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So if I would raise flop and villain make 3 bet then call and fold turn UI?

[KitCloudkicker]

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raise the flop for multiple reasons (eg value, protection and ...**shudder**...information)

you'd really want to knock out as may overcards as possible....getting button to fold would be a good result. also you raised preflop and raising represents strength...your hand becomes easier to play from that point on because if they play back they are saying
a. I Dont care if you have an overpair
b. Im a moran...donkamadonk!

you played your hand like 2 overcards and he could well think he is value betting TP with a worse kicker yadayadayada

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i dont remember the last time i disagreed with aussie, but heres my take.

JJ, i think you played this hand fine.

1) its not clear that a flop raise is for value. with this many draws out there, not to mention the strong possibility that you're already behind, i think a raise is borderline spewish

2) if someone 3 bets, you still cant fold. this board is perfect to 3 bet a big draw on. thus forget about getting any information from a raise.

3) only one person is left to act behind you. i wouldnt worry too much about protecting my hand here

4) i believe they way you played this hand is the "easiest" way to do so. you can easily fold to a turn raise by the MP player, or fold if the button raises and the blind 3 bets.

5) only questionable street is the river. if your opponents are morans, call all day. if they're competent, i think overcalling is -EV.

[maverickai]

I would call the flop, and raise the turn. since flop is a peel, I would wait till the turn, when it's a safe card, such as a 9 here, to raise and knock out those behind.

[rhayder]

Grunge:

Raise the flop and fold the turn if SB Bets.

As played I fold the river.

[cmcneilly]

*grunch*

I raise the flop. You have TPTK, albeit a crappy top pair. Now you want to make people pay to draw, or alternatively have SB re-raise to know you aren't best.

As played, you don't have much choice other than calling down or maybe folding the turn.

[Blzdwrath]

I really think your hand is too vulnerable to protect on the flop. Theres to many cards that can come on the turn to hurt your holding. I believe theres an example like this one where he says to wait for the turn to raise.