River decision after strange play by opponent

Fantam · #1 10-31-2007, 05:15 PM

Villain was about 28/19/2.7 after small sample of 21 hands.
Anyway his play was strange, because he checked a blank river after check/raising the turn.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets, 6 folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (12.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero...?

What would your plan for the river be ?

BadBigBabar · #2 10-31-2007, 05:25 PM

he didn't cr the turn he b/3b it
i don't have any idea what's the best play on the river
i'd check behind because if he c/r again i hate to fold, and i want to know what he has.

Chris Daddy Cool · #3 10-31-2007, 06:03 PM

i see this play a lot (putting the last raise in on the turn and then checking the river). all i can really say is that some of the time he is being ultra sneaky and knows you can't resist value betting, the other time he was hoping for some type of reverse free showdown, but will call anyways. that's not really helpful at all, i know, but it is probably best to err on the side of caution and check here to see what he has and how he plays and you'd feel sick if he c/r you here and you got more value on the turn than you wanted anyways.

OziBattler · #4 10-31-2007, 06:45 PM

you cant checkraise without first checking......

this check is really suspicious and I probably couldnt bring myself to folding to a CR against this sort of player so I check behind. This guys stats are pretty laggy for Fullring but obviously it is a very small sample size so whilst this guy isnt going to be a nit he could be anything from a regular tag who has gotten cards over that sample or he could be a wackjob maniac. I suspect he has pocket pairs 55+ here and you only beat 66, 99 and TT. You'd probably get paid off by A high here too though.

Aaron W. · #5 10-31-2007, 07:01 PM

I would check behind because I'm not bet-calling and I really don't want to bet-fold. Part of me says that he has a small pair and wants you to bluff with AK so he can pick you off, but another part of me says he has 77 and rivered a boat and can't keep himself from being fancy.

Fadook · #6 10-31-2007, 07:35 PM

I check behind, partly out of confusion, partly because often when I see people do this, they're getting a major case of FPS.

Fantam · #7 10-31-2007, 08:31 PM

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you cant checkraise without first checking......

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Aint that the truth, lol ? [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] Its amazing what multi-tabling can do to your memory (or ability to read a hand history) ! [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img]

As it happened, I did check behind on the river because I was suspicious and would have hated (what I would have considered to be almost insulting) the possibility of being check raised on the end !

I suppose this hand, shows just how difficult it can be to decide the correct play in an unusual situation, when you have a very limited (almost none) read on your opponent !

As CDC said, I suppose I got more than enough action on the turn already ! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

tyler_cracker · #8 10-31-2007, 08:36 PM

this is one of the very rare occasions where i would like to see results.

Mitke · #9 11-01-2007, 05:12 AM

* grunch *

That is some weird line from villain... btw, he didn't c/r turn, he bet/3-bet it.

Weird line is usually a bluff or (slowplayed) near nuts.

There's no value to get from bluffs or nuts. There's a small chance this is weird-donkey play with a smaller pair (testing your suspected(?) overs really hard here) but I still check the river.

I'm not betting the river because I don't think there's value there, better hands will not fold, and getting c/r again would be such a difficult fold in this big pot that I couldn't probably make it (probably should).

Bulletproof Monk · #10 11-01-2007, 05:32 AM

i bet the river

looks like he pumped a draw on the turn and caught the 7 on the end