Tom Brady Best QB Ever!!!!!!

[Pudge714]

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Do you really think the NFL would admit the refs blew the call and wrongly sent a team to the AFC championship game?

[/ QUOTE ]the NFL has admitted its mistakes plenty of times. Most recently they admitted after the Colts/Steelers playoff game that they made a wrong call giving the Colts the ball on that one play.

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[Pudge714]

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" Also, it was the greatest field goal in the history of football. "
Are you being nit about the technical defintion about hyperbole, or are you suggesting that you weren't exxagerating.

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I am suggesting that I wasn't exagerating.

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You are stating this as a fact. When you have little proof to back this up. Who's to say this was better than either of his superbowl kicks, or Dempsey's 63 yarder, or Elams 63 yarder, or etc., etc.

[Assani Fisher]

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Do you really think the NFL would admit the refs blew the call and wrongly sent a team to the AFC championship game?

[/ QUOTE ]the NFL has admitted its mistakes plenty of times. Most recently they admitted after the Colts/Steelers playoff game that they made a wrong call giving the Colts the ball on that one play.

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[/ QUOTE ]To answer your question, yes. Although its not the NFC Championship game, the refs mistakenly gave a Jets QB a TD on a QB sneak in a regular season game that had big playoff ramifications. They admitted their mistake later.

[srjunkacct]

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Do you really think the NFL would admit the refs blew the call and wrongly sent a team to the AFC championship game?

[/ QUOTE ]the NFL has admitted its mistakes plenty of times. Most recently they admitted after the Colts/Steelers playoff game that they made a wrong call giving the Colts the ball on that one play.

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[/ QUOTE ]To answer your question, yes. Although its not the NFC Championship game, the refs mistakenly gave a Jets QB a TD on a QB sneak in a regular season game that had big playoff ramifications. They admitted their mistake later.

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Hmm. Nobody's played the "the Patriots winning in 2002 was a massive post-9/11 conspiracy" card yet.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

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In '04 the Colts again lost to the Super Bowl Champion Patriots, an even stronger team this year than last. The Colts' receivers drop lots of balls, Corey Dillon run wild through Indy's defense, and Edgerrin James rushes 14 times for 39 yards. Manning has a mediocre day (27-42, 238, 1 INT), but this loss is all about his supporting cast and defense getting destroyed by New England. Note that Manning once again torched a good Denver team to get to New England.


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to add to this, wasn't this game played in the snow at Gillette?

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I recently read a comparison that made sense to me: this "clutchness" thing is like a religion. There's no way to prove or disprove it, but some people think they can feel it, and there's no point in telling them that they're wrong.

So I'm not going to try to convince that you're wrong about Brady's being clutch. But, please, consider the role that variance and sample size could play in your perceptions. Even if every pro football player was exactly as clutch as every other player, there would still be some players who performed extremely well in their "clutch" situations, and some who performed extremely poorly.

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clutch obviously exists in massachussets. you automatically become clutch when you play massachussets. massachussets is the fountain of clutch.

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clutchetussets baby

[Artdogg]

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yea, put Kurt Warner on the list but not Aikman, WELL DONE BRO

Brady is a great player, but this thread at this time is ridiculous, which is why I (and I guarentee a lot of others), will not waste my time arguing with a bunch of homers.


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Kurt Warner is on the "peak" list. His peak was 4,000,0000,0000,0000,0,0,0,0,0,,,00000,,00000 times better than Aikman.

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yea, if you base everything on stats, which I'm guessing you didnt or you wouldn't have made this thread

[Victor]

if brady retired today i would rate these guys better than brady:

montana
elway
otto graham (went to 10 title games in 10 yrs and won 7)

maybes:
young
favre
bradshaw
marino (ehhh)

im proly missing some other old guys. was namath any good?

[Victor]

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#1 - Rudi Johnson, Chris Perry, and TJ Housh are nobodies in the NFL if they played with 85% of the QB's in the league - Palmer is that damn good.

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rudi johnson would be damn good on any team. hes a tough runner that hits the hole hard and is very hard to take down. theres a reason why they dropped corey dillon for nothing and no one really cared. if you watch his runs he gets more yards in situations than most running backs would.

the other 2 are meh. housh benefits a ton from cj as well but he has good hands and speed. would likely be good sidekick on any team with a solid 1.

perry isnt all that much anyway in the bengals system. just a 3rd down back.

[SharkTank43]

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[quote Peyton Manning has been a loser in both college and the pros.

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40-9 as a sarter in college, including 3-1 in Bowl games. The only time you could ever call him a loser when regarding his college career is if Florida is in the conversation.

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Again, they would've been in the running for at least one, possibly two National Titles if not for their inability to beat Florida.


Edit - And before you pin those FLA. losses on Manning, Phil Fulmer has always had an extremly tough time competing with the Gators.

[/ QUOTE ]So, in other words, if he could've won the big game against his arch rivals, then they might have won it all. Boy, that sounds familiar.

But wait, it must have been the team and not Manning, right? Nope- the very next year after Manning left, Tennessee beat Florida and went on to win the national title.

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So he's a loser because he couldn't defeat a team that finished in the top 5 three years in a row during his tenure, including a National Championship in 1996? Even when he had a coach who self-admits that he cannot beat the team?


Also, his numbers against Florida:

1994: 3-5, 27 yards.
1995: 23-36 326 yards 2 TD's 0 Ints.
1996: 37-65 492 yards 4 td's 4 int's.
1997: 29-51 353 yards 2 TD's 1 INT.


Not all that bad of numbers. In addition, Tennessee finished 2nd in the National Polls following the 1995 season. Second to arguably the greatest college football team of all-time: the 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. I find it hard to call Manning a "loser" when discussing his college career.

[/ QUOTE ]The fact remains that hes always been "just not good enough" to be the best. And you still havn't addressed the fact that as soon as he left his team was suddenly able to beat Florida. How do you explain that?

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Probably had something to do with Florida losing their Heisman Trophy winning QB, their top two recievers, and the vast majority of there defense, while Tennessee returned nearly everyone, minus Manning.

[jstnrgrs]

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" Also, it was the greatest field goal in the history of football. "
Are you being nit about the technical defintion about hyperbole, or are you suggesting that you weren't exxagerating.

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I am suggesting that I wasn't exagerating.

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You are stating this as a fact. When you have little proof to back this up. Who's to say this was better than either of his superbowl kicks, or Dempsey's 63 yarder, or Elams 63 yarder, or etc., etc.

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Obviously, a statment such as "that was the greatest field goal in the history of football" is an opinion. I don't have to put IMO next to it to make it so, because greatness is always a matter of opinion. Also opinions can't be proven, but I will say a few thinkg about the kick anyway.

Unlike his superbowl winner, this kick was a 47 yarder in a blizard. Yes, it is very good that he can make a kick in a dome to win the superbowl, but (IMO) the weather, and the fact that this kick (against oakland) was do or die (if he missed it, the pats ware eliminated, if he missed the SB winner, the game goes to overtime) makes this kick more impressive.

As for the two 63 yarders. Yes, that is impressive, but they were kicked in regular season games (I believe in the first half) in normal weather. So while it is impressive to be able to kick a 63 yard FG, the cricumstances around those kicks just weren't as impressive.