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Old 11-14-2007, 07:09 PM
AshleyC AshleyC is offline
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Default FFS

I will NEVER fold KK pre-flop for 100BB's.

But once in a blue moon there is literally no other hand he can have.

Stats are 31/2/0.53 over ~ 200 hands. His screen name is sxto on FT.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($31.90)
Hero ($100)
Button ($81.85)
SB ($114.70)
BB ($101)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, Button calls $3.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $2.50.

Flop: ($11) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, Button calls $7, BB folds.

Turn: ($25) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $18</font>, Button calls $18.

River: ($61) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $30</font>, Button calls $30.

Final Pot: $121

Results
Hero has A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, aces and sevens).
Button has A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (two pair, aces and queens).
Outcome: Button wins $121.

So ridiculously passive player.

Full Tilt Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($41.75)
BB ($100)
Hero ($109.65)
MP ($140.65)
CO ($109.20)
Button ($98)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $9</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $32</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $149.65 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls $81.15 (All-In).

Flop: ($264.30) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>
.

Turn: ($264.30) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: ($264.30) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $264.30

Results
Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (one pair, kings).
MP has A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (one pair, aces).
Outcome: MP wins $264.30.

I am calling $81 to win $136, so need 37% equity.

Against a range of QQ+ I have 50% equity
Against a range of KK+ I have 23% equity

Therefore, his range here has to be QQ+ over 50% of the time for this call to be + EV. Never.

Still, I'm never folding KK pre-flop, I'm not good enough.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:14 PM
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Default Re: FFS

ok
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: FFS

just call his 3-bet if you're that scared. or play checkers.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:16 PM
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Default Re: FFS

Yahoo Checkers is [censored] rigged.. What if I don't want to jump his checker, I shouldn't have to.
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:18 PM
Noam Chomsky Noam Chomsky is offline
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Default Re: FFS

[ QUOTE ]
Yahoo Checkers is [censored] rigged.. What if I don't want to jump his checker, I shouldn't have to.

[/ QUOTE ]

QFT
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Old 11-14-2007, 07:19 PM
Nick Royale Nick Royale is offline
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Default Re: FFS

I bet more on the river in the first hand.

If there's ever a spot to fold KK 100bb deep it's not after you've made a pf 4-bet for 1/3 of your stack.
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