Foxwoods floor gets it right. Thrice.

[Mr Rick]

I am playing in 1/2 NL long session for the first time. I had played 1/2 NL while waiting for my 10/20 LHE game to open up, but on Saturday I was sitting at a table that seemed too good to be true. The worst player I have ever seen was calling just about every bet and never bet or raised until the river after being checked to. And the rest of the table was extremely passive. So I stayed.

About three hours after I sit, a guy sits down across the table in the 3 seat. He wins a few hands. And then he bluffs big at a pot and gets called by the horrible player and one other guy with an ATxx on the turn. The river is a K giving the other guy a pair of K's and seat 3 goes off on him after he calls another lasrge river bluff. Did he think his gutshot was priced in? (it wasn't) How could he call? (he just did) Was he not very bright? (I would have folded...).

Then seat 3 gets into it with seat 7. Seat 3 starts taunting him. Seat 7 says "at least I have more chips than you." Seat 3 bluffs seat 7 twice with Qx for fairly large pots and then says "now do you have more chips?"

It was like that.

Seat 3 starts saying "what, do I have a target on my back?" when he heard one of many conversations we were having about wanting to stack him.

So seat 3 gets into it with seat 10. And seat 10 starts shellacking him. Seat 3 is now dipping into his wallet. And taunting seat 10. Repeatedly. The last straw is a hand seat 3 loses and then says "You think that was a good bet, pricing in my flush draw?" and then the Floor arrives (though I never heard anybody call for him).

The Floor rules that seat 3 cannot talk about or criticize anybody's play. Score one for Foxwoods.

As soon as the Floor leaves, Seat 3 says "What, I never criticized anybody's play." Which gets me going. From Seat 9 I tell him that he has criticized just about everybody's play. He denies it and I call him a liar to his face. He then starts berating me for not calling the Floor when Seat 7 suggested Seat 3 was asking for a "beatdown". I had actually thought the beatdown thing was relatively likely to happen and not undeservedly so. I was saved by the bell when the Floor came back - because I was about to say "I didn't realize I was your babysitter...". The Floor points a finger at me and starts to read me the riot act. I say, I didn't start this one, the dealer backs me up - and Seat 3 gets his second warning. Zip it or leave - no more talking period. Score two for Foxwoods.

The table quiets down. It gets friendly again. then Seat 3 goes after seat 10 again. The dealer tells him to cool it. Seat 3 then starts in on the dealer. And the dealer warns him. Seat 3 says "Oooooh a warning from a dealer. Whats the matter with you, no sex in a while?"

"FLOOR !!!" says the dealer. The Floor tells Seat 3 to shut up while the dealer tells the story and when he hears the punch line, rules that Seat 3 is to be dealt out. Score three for Foxwoods.

I look at Seat 3 and tell him I understand why he might want to tilt the players but I ask him why he wanted to tilt a dealer. He really didn't have an answer for that though I hope (futilely) it made him think about how little control he seemed to have over himself.

The final note: Seat 3 is dealt out 3 hands in a row and looks humiliated. He leaves the table to find out when he can play again. The Floor allows him to play at the next dealer shift and he gets felted. He gets up and moves to another table. The last we see of him, he comes by Seat 10 and whispers in his ear "I hope you are taking good care of my chips." When seat 10 tells me this, I tell Seat 10 I would talk to the Floor about it because Seat 3 seemed emotionally challenged... I left soon after, so I don't know the final outcome.

Cliif Notes: Three strikes and your out @ FW. Just not out of the casino...

[Diana Ross Fan]

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I am playing in 1/2 NL long session for the first time. I had played 1/2 NL while waiting for my 10/20 LHE game to open up, but on Saturday I was sitting at a table that seemed too good to be true.

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Isn't this how all of us discovered 1/2?

Anyway, you need to be really annoying to get any kind of penalty at Woods. I always wonder how some people got banned.

[bernie]

Seems like a Jr High playground. Poker, especially n/l seems to just bring out the best in people.

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He then starts berating me for not calling the Floor when Seat 7 suggested Seat 3 was asking for a "beatdown". I had actually thought the beatdown thing was relatively likely to happen and not undeservedly so. I was saved by the bell when the Floor came back - because I was about to say "I didn't realize I was your babysitter...". The Floor points a finger at me and starts to read me the riot act. I say, I didn't start this one, the dealer backs me up - and Seat 3 gets his second warning.

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The floor should've given the table a warning. You included. Nobody forced you to 'get going' when confronted. And no one deserves a beatdown over a stupid cardgame.

Then you continue with:
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I look at Seat 3 and tell him I understand why he might want to tilt the players but I ask him why he wanted to tilt a dealer.

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Which, is funny, but it's still instigating it further.

b

[Diamond Lie]

props to the floor

the games are ridiculous how heated they get

[Mr Rick]

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The floor should've given the table a warning. You included. Nobody forced you to 'get going' when confronted. And no one deserves a beatdown over a stupid cardgame.

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I see your point about the table warning. And I specifically could easily have gotten a warning - which would have been too bad, because aside from this one guy, the table was a lot of fun. I was especially lucky because this Floor and I had a discussion about Michael Vick a few weeks ago and he was not happy with my POV. So I give him extra props for being objective this time.

I "got going" because I have learned that the most effective way to deal with bullies is to confront them. If I had let what he was saying slide, then I would have felt uncomfortable at the table.

In retrospect, I agree with you that nobody deserves a beatdown because of a card game. I think I chose my words poorly. Maybe I should have said and "not unexpectedly" instead. Seat 3 was lucky he didn't run into somebody who had as little self conrol as he did.

[Aces McGee]

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The Floor points a finger at me and starts to read me the riot act. I say, I didn't start this one

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Yeah, you did. The guy is obviously a clown, but the floor and the dealer were actually doing their job in this situation. You had no compelling reason to speak up.

-McGee

[Mr Rick]

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The Floor points a finger at me and starts to read me the riot act. I say, I didn't start this one

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Yeah, you did. The guy is obviously a clown, but the floor and the dealer were actually doing their job in this situation. You had no compelling reason to speak up.

-McGee

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I respectfully disagree with you.

I felt compelled to speak up because Seat 3 had been bullying everyone at the table who played hands against him and I wanted him to know that his bullying wouldn't work with me.

He outright lied by saying that he hadn't commented on anybody's playing and the dealer said nothing at that point. Possibly because he had only been there for a partial shift. I wanted Seat 3 to know that I was calling him on his bullsh*t and that I wasn't intimidated by him.

We tangled several times after that with him winning one big pot and me winning one big pot. In neither case did he comment or taunt.

Had I received a warning or sanctions for my behavior then so be it.

[davidlong14]

Well-done by the floor...when I was a regular at FW (2003-4) it would take a pretty clear threat of violence or VERY LOUD behavior to get such firm & fair response...

[Aces McGee]

Mr. Rick

I take back one half of what I said. You did have a compelling reason to speak up. I would not have done it and don't agree that it was a good idea, but I can at least see your reasoning.

I still say you started it, though. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

-McGee

[rrb]

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and then the Floor arrives (though I never heard anybody call for him).

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I was at the table in front of yours. Table 69 the one that everyone blows smoke down on from the upper deck.

I overheard the good looking female dealer (name begins with "Z"). She talked to the floor person, before she pushed into table 69. She complained to the floor about this douche. Then about an hour later Terry complained to the floor, before pushing into my game. So it was nice that they did address the problem.