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10-15-2007, 12:12 AM
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J6s flops flush in blind defense
Button is unknown, SB is loose/spazzy/sucky/wonderful human being (50/15/1.4)
PokerStars 5/10 Hold'em (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB calls, Hero calls. Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks. Turn: (3 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks. River: (3 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, SB folds. Final Pot: 5 BB 
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#3
10-15-2007, 12:21 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
[ QUOTE ]
b/3b turn imo but maybe I'm being results oriented. charge those clubs [/ QUOTE ] Any other turn card I lead, but the ace is such an obvious bet for the PFR (and spazz boy might C/R bluff and let me get in the very sexy c/3b...)
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#4
10-15-2007, 12:51 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
we don't know anything about what hands he checks behind the flop with, and there is a good chance that if he has an ace he is going to raise your bet esp with the obvious flush draw present
it sounds like SB is the kind of player who will call 2 with the same hands he calls 1 with
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#5
10-15-2007, 01:01 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
must bet turn IMO. There's no guarantee that SB is going to continue a lot on this board for one and not two. Betting is clearly best hu vs. bt range.
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#6
10-15-2007, 01:48 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
I usually just donk these flops and hope someone gets spazzy.
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#7
10-15-2007, 04:47 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
i dont think this is all that bad. button's passive flop line leads me to believe he might not raise you with an ace here. and how the hell were we suppose to know he was gonna check that turn again?!
btw, button's flop check can sometimes be a small PP with no club, right? I've done it before against aggro players. I've even done it hu a few times with very good results so far. regardless, I doubt if button has a club here so there isn't much to charge except SB. Against SB, obv it's best value to get a bet in on the turn, but even if turn is checked through, he might pick up something on the river and fork over 2 BBs.
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#8
10-15-2007, 08:13 AM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
I pretty much agree with vma... (surprise).
I end up playing it like you Sethy [ QUOTE ] I usually just donk these flops and hope someone gets spazzy. [/ QUOTE ] This would be a mistake. - There is no reason to believe that PFR is checking behind. - He might as well go spazzy vs a c/r as against a donk - If the PFR raises you shut out the third guy while a c/r traps him.
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#9
10-15-2007, 02:37 PM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
I fast play these on the flop because it gets checked through too much
gotta bet the turn, they are not gonna bet your hand for you
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#10
10-15-2007, 03:39 PM
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Re: J6s flops flush in blind defense
This is a reverse spew!
Just bet it and get action from loan clubs, str8 draws and pairs and get a nice healthy pot . You HAVE to bet these every time. Opponents will never believe you have flopped the flush and may even reraise a flop bet here. Not betting here is chucking money away. If everybody folds fine next hand please.
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