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#11
10-13-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
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[ QUOTE ] Button's range is pretty much KJ/AJ MAYBE JT on the turn, given PF and flop... The question is whether he raises AJ/JT on this turn? [/ QUOTE ] If thats his range then id just call. I dont see why he cant have QJ or JT or J8 or J9 though [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] In a pot of this size I think J(q,9,8) all raise the flop. 
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#12
10-13-2007, 08:01 PM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Button's range is pretty much KJ/AJ MAYBE JT on the turn, given PF and flop... The question is whether he raises AJ/JT on this turn? [/ QUOTE ] If thats his range then id just call. I dont see why he cant have QJ or JT or J8 or J9 though [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] In a pot of this size I think J(q,9,8) all raise the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I also didnt see that he iso raised so you can probably discount J8 J9 some. Its probably just a call now.
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#13
10-13-2007, 10:51 PM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
i dont bet the flop.
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#14
10-13-2007, 11:30 PM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
Actual Hand. BB/villain is Stane1985. I think he (arguably) misplayed 3 streets here, but I think the turn 3/bet is pretty wretched unless he thinks I'm a total muppett.
I posted this because I've seen a lot of us SSSH'ers make these overplays (pf 3-bet is only ok because of limper, IMO), flop lead is, as Miles said, pretty not good - this flop crushes an iso raisers range, and SB is folding nothing. But the turn is worse - the best he can really hope for is that I'm also playing AJ/JT, and that SB has a set/2 pair that misses. PokerStars $10/$20 Limit Hold'em - 6 players Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] UTG calls, MP folds, CO folds, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#FF0000">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Flop: (12.00 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls, <font color="#FF0000">SB raises</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. Turn: (9.00 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#FF0000">BB bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#FF0000">BB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#FF0000">Hero caps!</font>, SB calls, BB calls. River: (21.00 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#FF0000">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls. Final Pot: 23.00 BB Results: <font color="#FFFFFF"> Hero shows Kh, Js (a straight, Ten to Ace). BB mucks As, Jc. Outcome: Hero wins 22.85 BB. ($3.00 Rake) </font>
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#15
10-14-2007, 12:31 AM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
i dont think its much of a spew?
if you have AJ KJ J9s AJ-9 combos KJ-12 combos J9s-2 combos so he's just about breakeven vs. your range and there's a third player. it is probably just a call but close and not surprising at all that he reraised there. you could show up maybe an add'l small % of the time w/o the straight (T9s maybe?). i see much worse daily.
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#17
10-14-2007, 12:47 AM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
sorry i am a fool
you have 50% equity against ~half his range. so clearly not a 3-bet. still with the third player in and the slim chance seth has a non-straight, i believe it takes about 200 hands for me to see a clearer/worse spew from a tag.
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#18
10-14-2007, 12:56 AM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
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still with the third player in and the slim chance seth has a non-straight, i believe it takes about 200 hands for me to see a clearer/worse spew from a tag. [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree - I don't think this type of thing is an ENORMOUS spew, but I think it's a very very common one which I see from 2p2 tags quite frequently.
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#20
10-14-2007, 05:49 AM
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Re: Overplayed 4 card straight?
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[ QUOTE ] still with the third player in and the slim chance seth has a non-straight, i believe it takes about 200 hands for me to see a clearer/worse spew from a tag. [/ QUOTE ] I don't disagree - I don't think this type of thing is an ENORMOUS spew, but I think it's a very very common one which I see from 2p2 tags quite frequently. [/ QUOTE ] yup, i agree. it's one of those weird spots that people misplay often. i mean, you got me to say it's close when it isn't [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. so yeah, interesting spot to bring up just because it is one of those where a good amount of decent players misplays it. i just felt like pointing out that i see the same players play worse blah blah blah. i feel like the mistake i made when i first posted in this thread is the one that most players make when they decide they should reraise the turn
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