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Old 08-15-2007, 07:52 AM
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Default UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

This is a spot that I have been thinking about lately, SNGPT finds it to be pretty close, but I can't see why I should't be pushing this everytime. I don't think I am going to find a much better EV spot....

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Hero (t1260)
UTG+1 (t1675)
CO (t1430)
Button (t3505)
SB (t2555)
BB (t3075)

Preflop: Hero is in UTG with 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
<font color="red">Hero raises to t1260 (All-in)</font>,
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:19 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

no way thats +ev against any reasonable ranges. just fold.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:42 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

If SNGPT says that's close, you've got incorrect (or rather, unfeasible) ranges set. As said above, absolutely no way shoving here is +EV. Clear fold.
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:48 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

I agree that this is not +ev. However with this stack size, is it best to wait for another spot to push? Does SNGPT take into account that with the current stack size and blind levels, there may not be another good opportunity to push?
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:51 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

i guess by close i meant...its close to being close enough that i cant pass up an opportunity here, i think im willing to flip at this point.....i dunno i may be way off here
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Old 08-15-2007, 08:54 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

If the blinds are going up in the next 2 hands I will shove this. If I get through the blinds again at this level I would fold.

FWIW I am definetly pushing 44 and above. 33 &amp; 22 are meh in this spot.
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Old 08-15-2007, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

It's late in the game, and all players are still at the table. For me that indicates that probably this is a tight game. Obviously you're a bit short stacked. 22 UTG all-in is a bit risky but you opponents will probably fold.

You can, just raise your normal amount (for me that would be t600), and if you get callers all-in on the flop no matter what.
Or, all-in as you did, next hand blinds hit you and soon your all-in won't scare people away as it should ...
I don't think you can let this hand go.

But then again I'm relatively new at this.

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Old 08-15-2007, 10:22 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

SNGPT say it's +EV against all sort of opponents - the tighter the better - so believe your tool - this is +EV - i push this at a tight table anytime, at a looser one it depends on my stack - the shorter the more likely i push it.
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Old 08-15-2007, 10:38 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

Obviously the tighter the better - if they're all only calling with KK+ I have no doubt it's massively +EV. The point is they often won't be calling tight enough. It's not a question of believing your tool or not - SnGPT can only analyze based on the ranges you enter - if they're way off, then so is it's result.
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Old 08-15-2007, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: UTG w/ small pair 6/7 BBs-16$

this is a definite push for me. obviously it helps if we're not utg but given stack sizes we've gotta give ourselves a chance to pick up some blinds. utg raises are generally respected a little more so i think calling ranges tighten a little bit, plus the fact that we're still 6-handed leads to thinking it's a pretty tight table to begin with. also it's not like our hand is completely dead if we get called - we're going to need to win a race somewhere along the line, and i'd prefer getting it in as a slight favorite than a 55/45 or 60/40 dog.
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