COMMERCE 1/2. 9Ts. RIVER PLAY?

flawless_victory · #1 02-25-2006, 05:05 AM

i open on button w/ 9dTd.
loose guy who is "just there to have fun" and seems to play kinda erratically (i just got in the game so this is the best i can do) calls, BB folds.

flop comes Th9h4h
check, i bet, sb does a heart check that is not too subtle and raises i call.

turn Js
bet, i raise, he calls.

river Qc
he checks, should i VB? should i call if i get CRed?

baronzeus · #2 02-25-2006, 05:25 AM

Yes, I think it's an easy VB. He will call with tons of hands you beat etc. Also, given your descrip, ez call on a raise.

3rdCheckRaise · #3 02-25-2006, 05:43 AM

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He will call with tons of hands you beat

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I am not sure there are really that many hands that he can call with that you beat. We put him on a big heart, right? A-high hands wont call there (he just can't have a big ace in that spot) and K-high hands all beat us. Q-high hands are also problematic since we can only beat Q6...So what can call us that we are ahead of, A8-A10?

moneyshot · #4 02-26-2006, 07:52 PM

i think its an easy VB because he will bet a king here alot because he know the board is scary for you as well.

flawless_victory · #5 02-26-2006, 08:01 PM

ok, mb whether to bet wasnt the interesting question.

i did bet, he checkraised.
muck it? pay it off? threebet and rep a flush (which he certainly doesnt have)?

moneyshot · #6 02-26-2006, 08:24 PM

you have to call. too many AQ, AJ hands with the ace of hearts here. I still think there is no way he has a king.

NLSoldier · #7 02-27-2006, 01:06 AM

people bet out here when they hit like every time in my experience. especially live although ive never played that high. but still im very suspicious and payoff.

poker1O1 · #8 02-27-2006, 03:48 AM

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Yes, I think it's an easy VB. He will call with tons of hands you beat etc. Also, given your descrip, ez call on a raise.

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Yea the value bet is the easy part, calling the raise is the toughy. It's not easy and I wouldn't be clickin my heals about it, but I'd call.

Alex Jacob · #9 02-27-2006, 07:10 AM

bet and pay-off a checkraise? what? what am i missing?

amulet · #10 02-27-2006, 11:08 AM

i check. it is close, but i hate the board. if he raises you are paying it off, but i think a check here is correct. i seem to be the only one who believes that.

i also think your raise from the button with T high is a mistake in a tough game. unless your opponents fold their blinds too often, or are very scared of you, i think you are better off mucking this hand. it is only T high.