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#22
02-24-2006, 06:31 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
No one lays down KK to a bet of 420. Some people may lay down KK to a push. Why would you bet any amount other than pushing on the turn anyway? It's going in on the river if you bet any amount, so why not just get it in on the turn?
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#24
02-24-2006, 07:46 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
call
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#25
02-24-2006, 08:43 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
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imagine you are button w/ 9dTd... how much do u bet on turn? we are discussing merits of betting 400-450 vs moving allin, but of course other bet sizes could be better. plx provide a bit of rationale as well... [/ QUOTE ] There are four kind of players : a)players who doesnt know the diffrence between 1/2 pot bet and allin in these situation cause they are "pot commited" so they just go allin instead of calling or call and always call again b)players who almost always call now and always call again with made hands but fold some hands to allin bet c)players who call now but sometimes fold to river allin d)godlike hand readers who fold to small bet but call bigger one... vs a)betting small is always better (cause you bluff cheapier) vs b) going allin is better with bluffs but betting small is better with made hand. vs c) it doesnt matter cause c) players doesnt exist in real life vs d)betting small is WAY WAY WAY better. This implies that betting small is much better strategy with both bluffs and made hands unless you are up b) kind of player but they are rarely seen and diffrence is small anyway. Does it make sense ? [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] EDIT: actually I made a mistake cause betting big is better with good hands vs d) kind of players which is the reason of popularity of overbetting with the nuts.. allin all small bet is much better as a bluff.
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#26
02-24-2006, 09:18 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
it's best to check (or bet tiny) and push the river.
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#27
02-24-2006, 09:19 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
The only hand that beat you that would play this way is AA(but i expect AA would have raise the flop), and all the other ones like QQ, 78s, 44, 88 doesn't make sense. I mean by checking you are telling him you could have AK, TT, JJ which is scared of that Q, so it doesn't make any sense to go all in with the nuts because you mostly likely won't call. So his line is more in tune with a bluff(like lower pairs, flush draw trying to use the Q high to blow you off TT or JJ AK), or value betting KQs, AQ so I definitely call. Richard
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#28
02-24-2006, 09:20 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
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so it doesn't make any sense to go all in with the nuts [/ QUOTE ] This is why going in with the nuts is such a profitable play...
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#29
02-24-2006, 10:23 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
punter,
he has no info on the guy. how can he fold here?
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#30
02-24-2006, 10:29 AM
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Re: 5/106max. KK facing turn push.
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he has no info on the guy. how can he fold here? [/ QUOTE ] "seems pretty tight". I dunno maybe I am overestimating party donks but I really cant see what hands sane Villain can have here... Bluffing his stack into preflop reraiser is really strange. This line looks like AA/KK to me. Hmm do you think calling is standard play ? I found huge leak of mine some time ago (too much folds in small pots on the river) now I wonder maybe I am folding too much in big pots too...
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