5Knl. weird river spot w/ btm full.

[flawless_victory]

UTG(covers) is spazzy fish, weve been playing for a bit... he likes to limp outside the blinds SH but hes limpRRed me a cpl times recently (hence my PF check), he also has bet pot on flop in unraised pots everytime its been checked to him... hes loose somewhat agg on all streets.

MP(5000) is a mostly unknown tightish TAG who recently joined the game.

I(5700) have a LAG image w/ UTG, i should be unknown to MP.

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $25/$50
5 players
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Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, Hero checks.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($200, 4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $200</font>, CO calls, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($800, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $450</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

River: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($2150, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets $1250</font>, Hero...

the flop/turn play are def unusual, but when the spazzy UTG bets, its generally pot or more and i just wanted to give him some rope... i figured a lead on that 'budugi' K and then the str8 card (only draw) would just look so legitimate, i decided to keep checking...

i think we can be confident we have the winner, but do u call and let UTG overcall (or even raise if he has 45), or do u shove it in
and hope MP pays u off w/ good trips?

[Anders]

stick it in

[Tupacia]

Definite shove I think. His range is much wider than just 45, so I think the EV of pushing is greater than just calling and hoping he comes along.

[PartyGirlUK]

What hands do you think UTG will pay off a raise with?

[Bill King]

open shove baby!

[FoxwoodsFiend]

easy push. LOL

[LoVErBuOY]

If the TAG knows UTG is a spazzy fish, do you think its possible that if the fish squeezes or shoves river with a straight or trips that CO calls with the other hand? The result of such action being that you get two stacks instead of one?

IE what are the chances of:
CO bets 1250, hero calls 1250, utg moves AI, CO thinks and calls AI, hero goes ai last to act with the boat

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[FoxwoodsFiend]

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If the TAG knows UTG is a spazzy fish, do you think its possible that if the fish squeezes or shoves river with a straight or trips that CO calls with the other hand? The result of such action being that you get two stacks instead of one?

IE what are the chances of:
CO bets 1250, hero calls 1250, utg moves AI, CO thinks and calls AI, hero goes ai last to act with the boat

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This happens almost never. It'd be an insane bluff and it's hard for UTG to show up with a monster (hero has a monster that he played very weirdly, but this passive of a line is almost never a big hand from UTG)

[Jay.]

utg's line is big. i doubt spazzy fish is checking KT on the turn, which leaves K9s K8s, the dude behind has a king almost always. leaving 2 ways of K8 K9 and 4 of 45s, while K9 K8 may not play preflop and may not check the turn (although i think both are often) and 45s will always play like this.