1Knl. 3way flop w/ pair + FD facing a shove.

[flawless_victory]

PFR (1535) is good 35/30 2p2er, loose postflop... pretty confident he can be shoving most overpairs and draws here as well as a set or top2...

SB(1750) is a loose/passive fish... not really sure what he needs to coldcall flop but i suspect he can have alot more than sets and combodraws...


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No Limit Holdem Ring game
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises to $35</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Flop: 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($115, 3 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets $115</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $375</font>, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">UTG raises all-in $1500</font>...

im not really happy w/ the size of my flop raise (just calling wouldve been ok too), feel free to comment on that, but as played...

call the AI getting 2.1:1 w/ sb behind?
would u call w/ Tc9c?
which would u rather have?

[Morrek]

You have them covered?

[Pasterbator]

I assume based on the way you wrote this that we have them both covered.

UTG has a big overpair &gt;&gt;&gt; than a set even tho he would play them the same way.

Obviously we're afraid of the SB showing us a bigger FD. IME, it tends to be a draw far more often than a real hand.

I think the only answer is to put the SB on 65o, UTG on AA and get your money in good.


Also, i really really hate this spot, so im looking forward to reading some discussion.

[flawless_victory]

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You have them covered?

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ya

also, shouldve added in OP, PFR Cbets pot on flop 100% or close regardless of board texture.

[Bill King]

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You have them covered?

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ya

also, shouldve added in OP, PFR Cbets pot on flop 100% or close regardless of board texture.

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so what does that tell you about his range?

prob an overpair.. 14 outs twice getting 2:1.. prob a call if sb is folding.

[yvesaint]

mmm this depends on sb imo

against utg alone id definitely rather have Tc8c

if i thought SB here would almost definitely overcall the push, i would rather have Tc9c

[ahnuld]

yves, seriously change your avatar.

[Praetor]

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yves, seriously change your avatar.

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[flawless_victory]

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You have them covered?

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ya

also, shouldve added in OP, PFR Cbets pot on flop 100% or close regardless of board texture.

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so what does that tell you about his range?

prob an overpair.. 14 outs twice getting 2:1.. prob a call if sb is folding.

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well, sure... if sb had folded (or i somehow knew he was folding?) this would be a v easy call...
if i call and sb has a bigger FD i assume he is overcalling almost always.

[ahnuld]

flawless, I think hes much less likely to have a flush draw with the 375 coldcall. Hed prob. call with the good odds and a fish with the flush draw. I think his range is 2 pair, sets 80% and nut flush draws 20%