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Old 11-30-2007, 04:11 PM
Dennisa Dennisa is offline
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Default Re: 50NL- 44 Flops a Full House

Jeff,

Here are my thoughts. You want to sell your hand as AK, if he has a small pair. How would AK play in this position. You would Cbet on the flop (I think you should of cbet a bit more than you did ) and he is the small pair thinking you are fos and he raises you. The "donkey" that you are with AK, call his bet, 3 bet and you cant sell AK.

You need to then check the turn. He may or may not bet out, again if he bets out, call/raise he may have the 8. If he checks, then put in an overbet on the turn to simulate the bluff. If thats your read then this is how I would play it.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:16 PM
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Ok, so everyone seems to think that raising is the correct play here. The reason being that I probably won't get much more action unless villain has a really big hand- which means a slowplayed hand PF, and 8, or an overvalued JJ kind of a hand, so might as well just keep building.

I think the vast majority of villains range is smallish pairs, though the point is well made that we probably won't be getting much value from them no matter what we do.

Given all that, it looks like villain has likely put his last dime in the pot unless he has a monster, and there aren't many monsters for him to have. So, if we change our hand to AK, does this mean that a 3bet would be profitable? It seems like it would be, and if he gets frisky with JJ we still have some equity in the pot.

How standard should a 3bet be here with AK? And if it's a play that should be used often, does villain's re-raise here indicate more weakness than strength (i.e. he's looking for info so we should disappoint him with bad information)?

Just some thoughts. I hate playing OOP [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is what I get for raising 44 in EP. (not that I'm complaining too much [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] )
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:20 PM
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Default Re: 50NL- 44 Flops a Full House

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Ok, so everyone seems to think that raising is the correct play here. The reason being that I probably won't get much more action unless villain has a really big hand- which means a slowplayed hand PF, and 8, or an overvalued JJ kind of a hand, so might as well just keep building.

I think the vast majority of villains range is smallish pairs, though the point is well made that we probably won't be getting much value from them no matter what we do.

Given all that, it looks like villain has likely put his last dime in the pot unless he has a monster, and there aren't many monsters for him to have. So, if we change our hand to AK, does this mean that a 3bet would be profitable? It seems like it would be, and if he gets frisky with JJ we still have some equity in the pot.

How standard should a 3bet be here with AK? And if it's a play that should be used often, does villain's re-raise here indicate more weakness than strength (i.e. he's looking for info so we should disappoint him with bad information)?

Just some thoughts. I hate playing OOP [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] This is what I get for raising 44 in EP. (not that I'm complaining too much [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] )

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You hit the nail on the head here. On paired low flops a raise is very often a mid pair. 3bet them religiously with big hands (JJ+) and air. They aren't going to have a good hand enough to call you and once they get pissed off and call you still have a big hand some of the time and other times you spike an out.
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Old 11-30-2007, 06:58 PM
Abdullaev Abdullaev is offline
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Default Re: 50NL- 44 Flops a Full House

I agree that reraising the flop seems like the better play, but is the alternative that much worse? I don't think that occasionally calling and then checking the turn is out of the question because as pointed out an 8 is going to get the money in at some point anyway, and by calling and checking the turn, you at least give villain a chance to put in more money with a hand that might've folded to your flop reraise. More of a question than an observation.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:05 PM
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Default Re: 50NL- 44 Flops a Full House

I've kind of come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter what we do. Most plays are going to end up at the same place.

As it happens, I called and then donked the turn for a little over half the pot. He called, which set up a nice PSB for the river, which he folded to. I probably made a little bit more than re-raising the flop, but who knows- he might have called out of spite and gotten stacked. Hard to tell.

I think this hand may help me deal with re-raises better when c-betting, but time will tell.

On thing for sure- I make a lot more with this hand if I'm in position.
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