50nl, extraction with flopped FH

[toddxlogan]

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yeah I also min3bet. holla! :-)

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TBH, I also think min3bet isn't that bad here, either. Though it certainly looks superstrong, it sort of leaves villain with a bunch of [censored] options, and no good ones.

[teh_sponge]

i like the idea of donking the turn because it looks weaker and could induce a shove. However, if villain just calls the turn how would you guys play a diamond river vs a non diamond river??

[ShipitFMA]

shoving > min3bet
imo shoving looks more like a FD than a queen whereas a min3bet is a queen a large % of the time.

[ShipitFMA]

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i like the idea of donking the turn because it looks weaker and could induce a shove. However, if villain just calls the turn how would you guys play a diamond river vs a non diamond river??

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Bet ANY river.

[toddxlogan]

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shoving > min3bet
imo shoving looks more like a FD than a queen whereas a min3bet is a queen a large % of the time.

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It does to you.

But are we assuming random unknown A) is at least a second-level thinker and B) has the knowledge/discipline to fold a decent hand based upon that second-level read of your play? Cause at 50NL, I don't.

[LiveNow]

super standard shove. Any queen calls, and your hand looks like a draw as well as gets called by draws

[BevillTheDevil]

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shoving > min3bet
imo shoving looks more like a FD than a queen whereas a min3bet is a queen a large % of the time.

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IF you shove you have a lot more FE against draws and 1 pair hands which we WANT to call. So against someone decent a minraise here would scream either Qx or just some weird as donk raise. Villian still wont fold his/her Qx and now they have the odds to draw out on your Qx...plus when they see that minraise and have like JJ+ they are dieing inside if they fold (ppl suck and cant fold those hands)...what are you gettin called by more often w/ a shove compared to a minraise?? 77-TT or soemthin?? i dont think so...a min3bet is super sexy here IMO.

[monkeymaps]

shove doesnt really look that much like a draw IMO I mean I know villan and you have no history but I dont see alot of 3 bet shoving with FDs on paired boards. (unless your image is super lag). Push folds out all underpairs,FDs and prob KK+. and only gets looked up by Qx. (how much if his range is QX?)

agianst a thinking player I like a push cause it looks bluffy but agianst an unknown I like 3bet minraise or call c/r all in turn.

[traz]

Sometimes I shove and sometimes I call/crai turn. I don't really care either way and both lines work great against different opponents.