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Old 06-22-2007, 02:17 PM
13_Xerxes 13_Xerxes is offline
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Default [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

SB is TAG (20/20), and very aggressiv post flop.
UTG is a good TAG (27/18/1.7).

Must I wait the turn to protect my hand or just raise this flop ?

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Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (13 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, UTG calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:21 PM
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

how does raising protect your hand here?
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:23 PM
13_Xerxes 13_Xerxes is offline
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

So, my explanation was bad, the question is : to protect or to value ?
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:26 PM
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

I think i just call vs the capper, the caller could also have AK AA or KK here. Not like ur gonna get either of them to fold for one bet with any PP with a club or hand with a gutshot typically.
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:33 PM
TheWunderkind TheWunderkind is offline
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

I just call down, and bet when chkd to. Raising gains us basiclly nothing but allows to play worse pps almost perfect
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Old 06-22-2007, 02:39 PM
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

worse pps are going to play perfectly anyways by not putting in any more bets after they get called on the flop
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:02 PM
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

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worse pps are going to play perfectly anyways by not putting in any more bets after they get called on the flop

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I think you're right, and with the SB being overaggressive and the TAG most likely on a draw, weaker A or K I'm going to be raising this somewhere.
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Old 06-22-2007, 03:46 PM
ILOVEPOKER929 ILOVEPOKER929 is offline
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

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worse pps are going to play perfectly anyways by not putting in any more bets after they get called on the flop

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The problem with raising the flop though is if the SB 3bets or check/raises the turn, were always showing down and this is probably not a good thing. I would just call the flop here.
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Old 06-22-2007, 05:00 PM
Heisenb3rg Heisenb3rg is offline
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Default Re: [1/2] Big pot TPGK : To protect or to wait the turn ?

I dont raise ever..

You dont want to fold out pocket pairs less than KK (they probabily will to agression), and your behind to a large percentage of SB's range. They may make crying calls hoping you have a draw if you wait to the turn.

If you raise you will be paying off more hands than you will get payed off by, and the coordinated/flushy nature of the board means you should probabily pay off.
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