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10-29-2007, 12:16 PM
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River Fold w TPTK 4/8
Villain is a middle aged woman who plays well (2+ hours) from what I can see. She plays her good draws and good hands aggressively. She's capable of folding to a raise. Also, I saw her semibluff raise a turn when she hit an OESFD with a pair, and got the 2 other players to fold the river when she followed through with a bet even though she missed all her draws - she showed her cards.
On to the Hand - Hero has A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] OTB 5 players limp, Hero raises, BB calls - 7 to the flop. (14sb)Flop is A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I love my hand. Everyone checks to Hero, Hero Bets, 4 callers. (9bb)Turn is J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Checks to Hero, Hero Bets, BB calls, Villain Raises, C/O Calls 2, Hero calls his 11 outer, BB calls. (17bb)River is a blank. BB checks, Villain bets, C/O folds, <font color="red">Hero Folds</font> 
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#3
10-29-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
This is close. Against most live opponents, it's fine, but your read to me indicates that you should probably call here.
-McGee
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#4
10-29-2007, 12:26 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
Thanks! I went on vacation. I took a week and a half in Arizona - Sedona & Grand Canyon.
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#5
10-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
good fold, for 2 reasons
1) villain showed a bluff previously. if she's as skilled as you say she's doing it to get paid off on future hands 2) the turn does not put a draw on board
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#6
10-29-2007, 12:30 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
[ QUOTE ]
This is close. Against most live opponents, it's fine, but your read to me indicates that you should probably call here. -McGee [/ QUOTE ] Normally, I'd defer to the wisdom of the McGee, but I strongly disagree with this. It appears that there are at least two players between villain and hero. I think that the villain as described would have led a flush draw into hero or c/r the flop if she is as good as hero describes. Given this, I feel her c/r on the turn is almost always a J, or at least something we don't beat. This goes double because the turn is a complete brick for any backdoor draw. On second thought, it may be closer than I originally saw because of the size of the pot, but I'm still folding here.
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#8
10-29-2007, 02:12 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
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good fold, for 2 reasons 1) villain showed a bluff previously. if she's as skilled as you say she's doing it to get paid off on future hands 2) the turn does not put a draw on board [/ QUOTE ] 1)if she's so good, might she reverse this and know that you know that she showed previously so you don't think there's any way she's bluffing here? 2)it's not a backdoor draw, but isn't it a good card for here to bluff with a weaker ace/pair?
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#10
10-29-2007, 02:18 PM
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Re: River Fold w TPTK 4/8
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[ QUOTE ] good fold, for 2 reasons 1) villain showed a bluff previously. if she's as skilled as you say she's doing it to get paid off on future hands 2) the turn does not put a draw on board [/ QUOTE ] 1)if she's so good, might she reverse this and know that you know that she showed previously so you don't think there's any way she's bluffing here? 2)it's not a backdoor draw, but isn't it a good card for here to bluff with a weaker ace/pair? [/ QUOTE ] lol this sounds like the convos Grease and I have where we basically discuss situations in which one player tries to "outlevel" the other. the conclusion was that it should end in a "WTF I CALL WHATEVER" on the river. i guess if your villain is that expert, call the riv
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