NL 10 QQ preflop/flop line

Seeeno · #1 06-07-2007, 11:08 AM

Pre:
I should three bet preflop b/c if he 4bets me I can narrow his range so much that I can fold right ?

What scared me is his small PFR/VPIP stats, but his samplesize is just a smallish 100 ...

As played Raise/Fold the flop is fine ?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.05/$0.10 Blinds - 9 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $12.20
BB: $9.45
UTG: $12.55
Hero (UTG+1): $10.00
MP1: $13.45
MP2: $2.55
MP3: $10.00
CO: $9.50
BTN: $1.30

Reads: TA 2.50 Hands 108, PFR 1.9, VPIP 15, WTSD 24, W@SD 40

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (9 Players)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 5 folds, SB raises to $1.20, BB folds, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($2.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $4.40, SB folds
Uncalled bet of $2.90 returned to Hero

Pot Size: $5.50 ($0.55 Rake)

Javanewt · #2 06-07-2007, 12:14 PM

This is fine. The $1.50 looks like a weak c-bet. I like the flop raise.

Seeeno · #3 06-07-2007, 12:18 PM

and whats about the preflop call ? Should I pop it up and reraise him here ?

Javanewt · #4 06-07-2007, 12:22 PM

Sorry, but that just depends on you/villain. With QQ, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.

How does villain see you?

CaptVimes · #5 06-07-2007, 12:29 PM

Why you have position and repopping preflop is likely to have two outcomes: 1 Villain pushes - We puke and call or fold but are likely beat. 2. Villain folds and we get no more value out of our hand. His total aggression factor is fairly high considering his PFR stats so its safe to say he is going to bet most flops regardless of what hits.

CaptVimes · #6 06-07-2007, 12:32 PM

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Good question.

jhill3535 · #7 06-07-2007, 12:34 PM

Would you really fold on the flop if he pushes over the top of you, getting almost 4-1 on your money?

Is it possible that he repushes the flop with JJ or TT?

I don't think that a smooth call on the flop would be all that bad. His range is pretty tight as it is. I would say AQ+ 99+ and that is pretty loose compared to his stats you gave.

A raise on the flop is going to fold out AK and maybe 99-TT. Now you only get action from 1 hand you beat (JJ), one hand you tie (QQ) and 2 hands that beat you (AA & KK). I like a smooth call here to try to get some value out of hands that you beat.

I think I would like a min raise better and then call a shove. If he just calls, then push any non AK turn.

Seeeno · #8 06-07-2007, 12:45 PM

I'm not quite sure how he does see me ... it depents on how much attention he is paying.
I was fairly tight at this table, but dont know if he noticed.
I dont like the idea of flat calling this flop ... I'd just hate any face card turn.

jhill3535 · #9 06-07-2007, 01:04 PM

Do you want to get it all in on this flop?

If so, a face turn card shouldn't scare you.

If he has JJ (but you don't know this), then there are 12 cards that scare you: 2-Jacks, 4-Aces, and 4-Kings. There are 45 unknown cards, so a safe card is going to come on the turn more than 73% of the time. I am not sure if I explained this well, basically if he happens to have JJ, then the 2 J's left in the deck beat you, but since you dont' know he has JJ (he could have AK as well) now there are 4 aces and 4 kings left in the deck that may scare you.

Now lets say that he has AK (actually all we are doing is saying that we aren't scared of the J's, but to do this we need to say that he has AK), so now there are only 6 cards that scare us: 3-Aces, and 3-Kings. Now a safe card is going to come on the turn more than 86% of the time.

Seeeno · #10 06-07-2007, 01:22 PM

I get your point yes, and it makes sense to me.
My reraise kinda commits me to the hand b/c I get to good odds if he moves in (I didnt realized that till now).
So if I decide to play at all, I should be willingly to play for all my chips.
This is why a check behind isnt that bad, b/c he could fire a snd barrel with worse hands (e.g. TT JJ AK AQ or even worse) and we can move in on a safe turn.

Lets assume I flat call the flop, and the turn is
A or K and he checks to me. Should I bet now, or check behind and reev. on the river.
If he bets into me, should I fold call or move in ?