Hold a fish to the rules or let it go?

[fishyak]

Being a fish is one thing. Being a grumpy, non-observant and broke fish is another. If the guy had been there that long, had anyone else played cash during his tenancy? If so, he was on notice that cash plays at Commerce. That includes HIS cash. 4/8 isn't the beginner table at Commerce. That's upstairs.

For me, it would come down to attitude - a nice guy who was genuinely oblivious, I suggest that you let him walk. If he gives me 'tude. I want the $.

On a separate note, short buys seem to get to you Scar. I suggest you re-think that opinion. I was taught early on to see short buys as a sign of a bad player. I LIKE bad players at my table, but I do have to think about all-in raises, no fold'ems and side pot issues that playing with them bring to the table. But at the end of the day, short buys are a sign of weakness. The more the merrier.

[Scarmiglio]

Ultimately, I felt bad after the fact, but mostly because the player spent the next 10 minutes telling me that "what goes around comes around" and that this would come back to haunt me, and that I wasn't going to win another pot, etc... He spent a while mumbling under his breath at me in Spanish too. In spite of myself it got me thinking about it.
In general I'm pretty friendly at the table. I usually wouldn't throw this in someones face and I don't want to chase away fish, but this guy was bugging me. Had I been nicer he may have gone to the ATM, but I seriously doubted it. Even still, I don't want to chase easy money away from the casino. In the future I'd probably let it go.

That being said, short buys make me angry because I think it's Bullshiat that players get to draw for their hand for free. Of course, it also costs them money when they hit their hand and saves me money and I'm aware of that. I know that these players are weak, but they tend to play scared/tight and what little money they have in front of them isn't worth having them at the table to win. You play Commerce regularly and see how some tables play. The pots can get HUGE! Stick a couple of these short buy players at the table and the action goes away. I want what everyone wants - bad players with lots of chips in front of them. I get a table change when there's too many short stacks at a table.

[psandman]

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Cash on the table is bad for the game, here's yet another example of why.


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Why do you think cash on the table is bad for the game? When playing limit, if I get down toward 12BB, I pull a bill out of my wallet to top up. Why should the game be slowed down to change it if I win the next hand? I can understand letting only hundreds play to avoid slowing the game down changing a twenty here and a twenty there. If I get down to only a few chips, I'll change the bill at a natural place in between hands.

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I dopn't really believe cash is bad for the limit game, but I believe chips are better. People with more chips in front of them often give more more action than players with cash in front of them. can get your $100 Bill changed up without slowing the game, I simply holler for the floor/chiprunner to bring a rack an keep going.

[pfapfap]

Cash and significantly higher denominations slow down a limit game considerably. In my room cash doesn't play, so I either call over a chip runner or sell myself while the action is elsewhere on the table. The worst is when someone brings anything higher than a $5 chip to a $1 chip game. Some people want you to recognize they need chips and get irritated if you don't call for chips; others will get offended that you dare think they'll need more than the eight usable chips they have in their hand and get irritated if you do call for chips. Aren't double-binds fun?

[Albert Moulton]

1. As played, I think you should have let it go. I hate it when good players make bad ones upset enough that they leave because they aren't having fun anymore. I'm not sure why losing money is fun, but there are plenty of guys that see cards as an entertainment expense. So, if this is one of those guys, then please don't tap the glass.

2. You probabably noticed the money on the table earlier. Be a good sport next time and say, "Sir, do you know that the $20 cash is in play as long as it's on the table? Sorry to bother you, but I wasn't sure if you knew."

3. The same idea holds true when a guy accidentally flashes his hole cards at me. I say, "Sir, I can see your hole cards when you look at them that way. You should cover your cards better."

[Scarmiglio]

re: #2 - while I may have noticed the money on the table it barely registered. There's always cash on the table at Commerce. People low on chips are constantly putting an extra $20 bill or two on the table. This is normal so I didn't think anything of it at the time. If this weren't completely normal, I would have said something.

This is actually why I said something. Sometimes poeple will forget that they have cash on the table because it's wedged in the edge of the table or is under a rack. This guys $20 was wedged and it looked like he intended to use it. If he wasn't planning on gambling with it, why wouldn't he stick it back in his wallet like everyone else? After the fact it occurred to me that he probably was keeping that for his last rebuy, and that was why it was on the table.

[SammyG-SD]

I always try to be really nice to the beginners. If I see they have cash on the table, I ask them if they know its inplay. Make sure they have a card protector (don't want a their bottom pair to become a dead hand), make sure they know about chopping, jackpot rules, were they ATM is, the fact they don't have to leave the table to get food, etc. Be nice to them and they will get comforatble and maybe bring their friends.

[bernie]

1st time, you let it go. The guy isn't shooting an angle with it.

By forcing someone casual to every letter of the rules you may find they won't lose as much to you as they could if you make them uncomfortable.

It's only 1 bet.

I agree with the others that you could've said something when he put his money on the table next to his chips. He obviously wasn't putting that $20 in play when he got chips.

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[redfisher]

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Ultimately, I felt bad after the fact, but mostly because the player spent the next 10 minutes telling me that "what goes around comes around" and that this would come back to haunt me, and that I wasn't going to win another pot, etc... He spent a while mumbling under his breath at me in Spanish too. In spite of myself it got me thinking about it.
In general I'm pretty friendly at the table. I usually wouldn't throw this in someones face and I don't want to chase away fish, but this guy was bugging me. Had I been nicer he may have gone to the ATM, but I seriously doubted it. Even still, I don't want to chase easy money away from the casino. In the future I'd probably let it go.

That being said, short buys make me angry because I think it's Bullshiat that players get to draw for their hand for free. Of course, it also costs them money when they hit their hand and saves me money and I'm aware of that. I know that these players are weak, but they tend to play scared/tight and what little money they have in front of them isn't worth having them at the table to win. You play Commerce regularly and see how some tables play. The pots can get HUGE! Stick a couple of these short buy players at the table and the action goes away. I want what everyone wants - bad players with lots of chips in front of them. I get a table change when there's too many short stacks at a table.

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The guy tried to welsh out on a bet. What's going to come around to you? Are you going to start welshing and get mad when somebody makes you pay up?

It's $6. It's not a big deal to you, but if he's got a problem with paying a $6 stupidity fine he needs to leave. It's not like his VARP (Value above replacement player) is positive.