interesting river spot vs roothlus in stars 50r

flopmonster · #1 12-19-2006, 06:02 PM

2nd hour. roothlus had been playin a lot of pots so far. i don't really put him on a 9 since he checked behind the turn but I can't imagine he would call a shove on the river with a q so i see no point in raising in case of the small chance he has a 9. thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) internettexasholdem.com

SB (t4295)
BB (t2950)
Hero (t24585)
UTG+1 (t5975)
MP1 (t5525)
MP2 (t16760)
CO (t9895)
Button (t8850)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero raises to t600, 2 folds, MP2 calls t600, 3 folds, BB calls t400.

Flop: (t1900) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets t800, BB folds, Hero calls t800.

Turn: (t3500) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

River: (t3500) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t2200, MP2 raises to t4400, Hero

ASPoker8 · #2 12-19-2006, 06:15 PM

You cant fold, obviously

I think you have to raise here.. If you are sure hes not calling a shove with a Q, make it like 9000 or something silly like that.

I'd probably shove though...

adanthar · #3 12-19-2006, 06:18 PM

reraising is giving money away

call quickly, though.

RetiredAt22 · #4 12-19-2006, 06:20 PM

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If you are sure hes not calling a shove with a Q, make it like 9000 or something silly like that.

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When is this ever a smart move? Why make a bet you "know" wont get called with a Q when it will most definitly get called with a 9, and your stack is gone.

That play makes no sense, plus im sure roothlus is smart enough to know that a smallish raise on the river with a 9 is a better play than a large raise. after all its more important to extract a few chips than make the all in and get no call.

shaundeeb · #5 12-19-2006, 06:31 PM

Bet the flop, I really don't see him checking here if he has 89s or A9s that he cced with PF.

flopmonster · #6 12-19-2006, 06:33 PM

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Bet the flop, I really don't see him checking here if he has 89s or A9s that he cced with PF.

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i should have mentione this in the OP, but earlier in the 2n hr i raised from ep and roothlus called and one other dude and i checked flop and ended up check/folding river to him. based on that i thought checking would be the best play. but maybe your right.

T_Mac · #7 12-20-2006, 04:48 AM

shove...he could easily have AA/KK/case Q, and its less likely he'd check a 9 on the turn

billyjex · #8 12-20-2006, 04:50 AM

your goal is to stack someone and it's going to be very hard to do that unless you bet the flop

Rocco · #9 12-20-2006, 06:02 AM

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reraising is giving money away

call quickly, though.

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Why is that? You don't think he'd call with hands that Hero beats?

adanthar · #10 12-20-2006, 05:29 PM

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reraising is giving money away

call quickly, though.

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Why is that? You don't think he'd call with hands that Hero beats?

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maybe exactly AA and absolutely nothing else.