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Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
MP3 has 34.4/2.86/0.9 - 70 hands
Full Tilt 0.25/0.5 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG (poster) calls, MP3 calls. Flop: (8 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls, UTG folds. Turn: (5.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 3-bets</font>, Button folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, MP3 calls. River: (17.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero ??. I have a huge draw on the turn, and I raise to make sure I get paid off big if I hit. I have effectively, 9 cards to make my flush, 3 Ts to make a gutshot straight, and I would assign 2 outs for my overs. Based on MP3's aggression on the turn, he could have a set or AJ. Critics? |
#2
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
The turn cap is a little weak when someone in front of you folds because you aren't getting odds anymore and no one is folding.
River call would be bad, what do you beat? Q high? |
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
yes, i'd like to critique. you keep betting and raising but we don't have anything. usually you're supposed to wait until we have something to bet and raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#4
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
I don't understand ... is it 4 players or 3 on the turn?? I think the converter botched it up ... if it's only three players, than the turn play is very bad. But assume it's 4 players to the turn.
First, I wouldn't give even two outs to the overs. A King Or Queen completes bunch of straights, you may be dominated, and you may be against a made set. I'd say you got 12 solid outs, so you are roughly 25% to win on the river, so there is no equity edge against 3 villains. When the button folded, you cap is actually a negative equity play - you are paying 33%, but will win only 25%. Fold river. |
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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yes, i'd like to critique. you keep betting and raising but we don't have anything. usually you're supposed to wait until we have something to bet and raise [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] QFT |
#6
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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I have a huge draw on the turn, and I raise to make sure I get paid off big if I hit. I have effectively, 9 cards to make my flush, 3 Ts to make a gutshot straight, and I would assign 2 outs for my overs. Based on MP3's aggression on the turn, he could have a set or AJ. Critics? [/ QUOTE ] Normal villains does not 3-bet AJ on this board. Anyway you need ~23outs to cap. Ur flush outs may be tainted too. No way you can cap. |
#7
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
Turn cap is pretty bad imo.
I don't know why you put ?? on the river decision. You have nothing. With this action you won't win 1 in 50 with K high, let alone 1 in 18. |
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
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River: (17.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero ??. [/ QUOTE ] Is there any question what you're doing at this point in the hand? |
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
i think one more raise is in order, frankly, for fold equity.
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#10
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Re: Raise and cap on the turn with overcards, gutshot and flush draw?
I agree that capping turn is pretty horrible and the river is obviously instafold.
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