Kinda off topic

[BobboFitos]

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so funny that people are surprised at this - i guess they should be given their own responses.

so many douchebags. this should be standard behavior - bobbo wtf is wrong with you.

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rob, i don't know. it's an interesting dilemna to be sure. here's the thing: If I lost the money (leaving it in a 5k sng) I wouldn't ask for it back. If I won it, and someone then asked for it back, what is the appropriate response? Send some? None? All? I don't truly understand the ethics of the situation, and when it boils down, it seems they entered the sng and i won it.

also, where does it stop? If someone plays 1 hand, their connection dies, and I win, do I ship them their equity of the remaining sng? Do we restart? If they play half, do I owe them anything?

I don't know, situation to be sure is murky, OP's villain is a great guy, but I think he went above and beyond what should be expected. (And really beyond what "should be done")

If I believe the other guy deserved his money back, I'd send it all, not some, but in this situation, it just doesn't seem like he does.

[cts]

meh I'm on Bobbo's side

If I reg'd for one of these things and forgot to play, I wouldn't be asking for my $ back.

I think things like this/connection problems/misclicks are your responsibility when playing online.

I was playing liraerik 25/50 hu nl once, quickly got up 15k or so on him, then this hand occurs: i open AK he calls, flop AK5r he checks i bet 250 he shoves for 5500 -- i call of course and beat his T7o. He was (still is) furious that I wouldn't send him his money back but meh I feel like I'm in the right here and I consulted a few other people who agreed that I'm not totally crazy at least.

[trambopoline]

You know Bobbo, there is such thing as helping others out without expecting some sort of reward. Its obvious I made an innocent mistake, why would you be so against shipping back just half the $? After thinking you're out 5k anyway, 2500 or 3k sounds very good. Not to mention we both have played each other before and im sure he knows im a regular high stakes player.

"also, where does it stop? If someone plays 1 hand, their connection dies, and I win, do I ship them their equity of the remaining sng? Do we restart? If they play half, do I owe them anything?"

Again, if I had some prior history with him I would surely send at least some % back to him.

[trambopoline]

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I was playing liraerik 25/50 hu nl once, quickly got up 15k or so on him, then this hand occurs: i open AK he calls, flop AK5r he checks i bet 250 he shoves for 5500 -- i call of course and beat his T7o. He was (still is) furious that I wouldn't send him his money back but meh I feel like I'm in the right here and I consulted a few other people who agreed that I'm not totally crazy at least.

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I think these are 2 very different situations. Isnt it possible that it wasnt a misclick? And what if he won the pot with his shove? Would he say 'hey cts, that was a misclick. Heres your $400 back.' Of course not. At least in my scenario it was 100% obvious I wasnt angle shooting in any way.

[cts]

def wasn't implying you would angleshoot in any sort of way -- you're definitely up there in my book as far as honesty/ethics/trustworthiness goes -- just thought i'd add my thoughts to the discussion

[BobboFitos]

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You know Bobbo, there is such thing as helping others out without expecting some sort of reward.

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Tram, I understand this, and my post was generalized, it is not directed at you whatsoever. No vehemence intended.

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Its obvious I made an innocent mistake, why would you be so against shipping back just half the $? After thinking you're out 5k anyway, 2500 or 3k sounds very good. Not to mention we both have played each other before and im sure he knows im a regular high stakes player.

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Yes, some is better then none, however my point is that if he felt you deserves the money, you really should have gotten all of it. Sending some may just justify to that person they did the right thing, even though they only did the partial right thing. (IF that is the right thing!)

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"also, where does it stop? If someone plays 1 hand, their connection dies, and I win, do I ship them their equity of the remaining sng? Do we restart? If they play half, do I owe them anything?"

Again, if I had some prior history with him I would surely send at least some % back to him.

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interesting, if someone plays me for X time, then connection dies, I would def. never ship anything back. In this case (you didnt play at all) I could understand a different argument.

[Ship Ship McGipp]

i agree with both cts/ bobbo and everyone else

i basically think that while this kind of thing isn't mandatory, it's something that will go a long way towards building and/or keeping a reputation in the poker community, where your reputation really is everything. i don';t think anything should be mandatory, and if i had won this money frmo someone i didn't like, i'd probably ship back zero. since it was from someone where there was a slight unspoken bond as far as "i recognize this guy is a winner at these stakes and a regular/ respect, etc" then it's not out of the question to ship almost half back. i would NEVER ship all 5k back, tbh, i'd have to have him charged for his stupidity.

this, however, seems like the best solution to this situation.

also agree the cts situation is completely different (though i can see some obvious ethical parallels drawn)

[mikech]

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i mean, honestly: this is not much different from an online version of seeing somebody drop a 5k chip at a casino and picking it up and handing it to them: sure they were absent-minded and this caused them to be put in the situation, but that doesn't make it okay to just keep the money.

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let's say i register for the wsop main event. i'm assigned to play on day 1c, but i mistakenly think i play on 1d. i don't show up on 1c and my entire stack is blinded off. should the wsop refund me 10k?

[captZEEbo]

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i mean, honestly: this is not much different from an online version of seeing somebody drop a 5k chip at a casino and picking it up and handing it to them: sure they were absent-minded and this caused them to be put in the situation, but that doesn't make it okay to just keep the money.

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let's say i register for the wsop main event. i'm assigned to play on day 1c, but i mistakenly think i play on 1d. i don't show up on 1c and my entire stack is blinded off. should the wsop refund me 10k?

[/ QUOTE ]different situtation. The money was already distributed to the field.

[mikech]

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different situtation. The money was already distributed to the field.

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meaning what, it's harder to get the money back from a field? so it's only a matter of practicality, not one of principle or morality?