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Old 07-13-2007, 03:45 PM
TheWorstPlayer TheWorstPlayer is offline
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

eff yoo. bet or c/r river and how much to bet if i bet. as i said, i wasnt paying attention to bet sizes, yes i should bet more on the turn, but he bet the flop so weakly, i dont really mind it that much looking back... i expect him to have like JJ here more often than AA, right?
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Old 07-13-2007, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

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you don't think he ever bets? i thought he could be floating the turn since c/c-lead on literally the driest board possible looks like bs with twp's image. and i don't see why he K9+ won't value bet if checked to, and pay off since it looks like a tailor made "turn 55 into a bluff spot" for someone with a spewy image like twp. but i guess we lose too much vs JJ-

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eh - i was joking? just looks like twp wants to get as little money in here as possible.

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yeah i thought you were mocking my post because theyre so similar
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Old 07-13-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

stack sizes seem to favor a check raise here, but i don't think you get paid by v much.

you could lead and hope he has KQ and raises.
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Old 07-16-2007, 11:35 AM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

i bet, hoping he had KQ and would raise. he did, but he didn't. i was pissed off.
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Old 07-16-2007, 12:10 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

On the way you played it - time down and then pot bet. He'll definitely look you up with top 2 paying anything up to a pot sized bet IMHO. Having said that, he appears smart enough to not go broke with top 2, too which leads to some people saying c/r.

So...I think he'll definitely call 2 hundy if you lead. He's only got a set to be worried about, which, yes, you have but with Top 2 he's definitely looking up when there's nothing else to be scared of.

If you go for c/r: a) there's a chance he could be super nitty and check behind or b) he'll bet 2/3 - 3/4 pot...you'll check raise to...eh, insignificant, I think he could be good enough to get away from his hand if you c/r.

Point is, I think you're getting ever so slightly more value out of leading river. You've called out of the SB, c/c flop, lead turn. his setdar is probably up at this point and if you suddenly check river, he's gotta smell a rat...

Don't give him a chance to make the nitty play by either checking behind (nittski check albeit) or folding to a c/r.

I've rambled but yes, definitely time down and lead for full pot.
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

Is it profitable to play to preflop like this?
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

I think he'll call with a lot of hands he might check behind (KT? KJ?), so I'd just bet. Maybe $140?
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Old 07-16-2007, 01:23 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

fold preflop raise flop bet more on turn bet big on river
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Old 07-16-2007, 03:28 PM
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fold preflop raise flop bet more on turn bet big on river

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Old 07-16-2007, 04:31 PM
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Default Re: bottom set K high board, Q on river v PFR

I agree with check-raising the flop and firing both turn and river, but is preflop a clear fold in this spot? I always call but that might be a leak.
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