Spew or worth it?

sharpie · #1 11-09-2007, 03:52 PM

Button is 38/31/3.9 over 93, small sample but from his wtsd and fold to turn bet it seems he is capable of folding, although I doubt he'll fold anything like ace high but he should have alot of non showdownable hands in his range. UTG was a tighter passive type. Once I get to the river it really looks like he wants to showdown.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, Button raises, 1 fold, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, Button bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, Button calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (7.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero...

milesdyson · #2 11-09-2007, 03:58 PM

i think another 98s, T8s, T9s, AdXd, or QdXd make up enough. remember it's only 12%

gehrig · #3 11-09-2007, 03:58 PM

i was expecting at least a turn bet/3bet from the title

Tryptamean · #4 11-09-2007, 04:00 PM

well, if he has good hand reading skills he should be able to give some sort of straight draw semi-bluff a decent portion of your range. However, looking at his stats, I would not give him credit for hand reading skills just yet. Therefore I would barrel off here and hope this board is just looking too ugly for ace hi. Sometimes he will have T9/T8 as well.

I like your flop and turn play

vmacosta · #5 11-09-2007, 04:18 PM

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i think another 98s, T8s, T9s, AdXd, or QdXd make up enough. remember it's only 12%

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haha, miles, Adxd doesn't fold. Hell I dunno if Qdxd folds. If it was planning on folding it prolly woulda raised the turn instead (logic doesn't totally follow but that's how ppl behave in practice).

i vote c/f, but in practice i usually bet and am called (95% ?).

milesdyson · #6 11-09-2007, 04:56 PM

not everyone calls the river with Adxd. obviously not many people end up folding but some already decide they're drawing on the turn and will fold the river UI, and some will decide that the turn and river are just too bad. small % sure, but every bit counts when 12% is breakeven.

Apanage · #7 11-09-2007, 05:01 PM

I think it is an easy bet. If he calls down Ahigh so be it.
I guess it probably is a mistake of him to do that even if I don´t know what other hands you would play this way.

vmacosta · #8 11-09-2007, 05:05 PM

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not everyone calls the river with Adxd. obviously not many people end up folding but some already decide they're drawing on the turn and will fold the river UI, and some will decide that the turn and river are just too bad. small % sure, but every bit counts when 12% is breakeven.

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Sure not everybody sees a SD but:

"Button is 38/31/3.9"

This guy does. And he also frequently puts in more bets earlier with a draw. Would love to be proved wrong cuz like i said i've been bluffing in this spot for years now.

Oink · #9 11-09-2007, 05:20 PM

I give up on the river. He calls too much with Ax and now he wont fold Kx.

Not worth it IMO

Heisenb3rg · #10 11-09-2007, 05:41 PM

Id put his range right now as

Undiscounted : Ax, 22-55
Slightly Discounted: T9
Significantly discounted: 45, 89, Diamond draw, Pairs >7, 58
very very discounted: Kx

He's not folding Ax, Kx or a pair..
There are draws in his range that will likey fold (or bluff raise) this river.

Wheter that makes up 1/8th of his range? Id lean towards no.. It really just depends on how much you want to discount his draws (how often he'll re bluff raise)

If hes a pathological bluffer no matter what the action, its a clear fold imo.
Flop/turn is standard.