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Old 10-29-2007, 12:58 PM
ama0330 ama0330 is offline
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Default Re: NL50: 3bet pot weird spot versus solid regular

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sounds like your assuming he's going to put a lot of money in the pot with worse than a small flush after the flush hits.

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No, im assuming he's not going to, which is why I said your implied odds go down, not up.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:00 PM
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sounds like your assuming he's going to put a lot of money in the pot with worse than a small flush after the flush hits.

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No, im assuming he's not going to, which is why I said your implied odds go down, not up.

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Ama, he's making a mistake by doing so.

For example, if I had AsKo I would shove this river.

edit: also ama, I think your assuming that because JJ was a bet or check/fold in your 3bet JJ post that this is also a bet. That isn't the case, and if I had JJ here I would just check fold the flop pretty easily. In other words, I think he's calling a flop bet >60% of the time.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Daniel LeClaire Daniel LeClaire is offline
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Daniel,

I like your bet size on the river. I assume your folding to a raise?

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We'd have $20 left and the pot would be $120. I don't know if I could fold or not. I would probably end up calling because of the pot odds and the strange way we have played the hand. If you bet less on the river you might be able to find a fold, but you need a pretty good read IMO to fold.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:11 PM
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Default Re: NL50: 3bet pot weird spot versus solid regular

3betting this hand and not leading this flop is just absolutely gross. This is the like the perfect flop for your range, and he probably calls PF with a lot of [censored] that will instafold now, but take shots at you if you start checking, and then check behind the river when you whiff and pull the pot.

How sick would you feel if the river was the 3h and villain checked behind JTs or 66?

Don't really know about river play. I want to say open shove because he'll never think you have spades after the flop check, but I guess your line makes the most sense with a marginal Asxs.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:15 PM
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the 3bet pf is fine w/ me if you know he is positionally aware and if you havent been doin it alot.

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Villain being positionally aware would be a reason not to 3 bet.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: NL50: 3bet pot weird spot versus solid regular

dont 3bet PF
raise flop as played
bet as much as he will call on the river
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:36 PM
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Ama I would think my implied odds go up because its a reraised pot, not down.

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Your implied odds go down because you increase the bet size and therefore reduce the effective stack size, cutting your implied odds.

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it's not as simple as this - bigger pots help your implied odds because people put more money into bigger pots. there's a tradeoff between the size of the pot you get and the amount of money you have to put in.

for example, raising pf with a small pp can improve your implied odds, because you are more likely to win a stack in a raised pot.
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Old 10-29-2007, 01:51 PM
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rand,

no. Seriously, what the [censored]!

bozzer,

yeah this is pretty well my thinking.

Was hoping we could get past preflop and flop maybe move to the turn/river....

I think he has to check back AK on the flop btw.

Bevil,

I think versus this guy he would probably make a crying call for $20 on the river with AK. However I think he has AQ more often than AK from his line alone, so its probably best to check/call all in on the river. Its a thinnish valuebet on the river for AQ but he probably just assumes I'm terrible and will check/call AK.
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Old 10-29-2007, 04:56 PM
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the 3bet pf is fine w/ me if you know he is positionally aware and if you havent been doin it alot.

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Villain being positionally aware would be a reason not to 3 bet.

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ok maybe i didnt state it correctly or something??...if villian is positionally aware his BTN pfr range is obv wide sooo he is raising a lot of very marginal hands that will not do good in 3bet pots so he is foldin alot here pf. And like i said if you have been doin it a lot he will start callin/4bettin w/ those marginal hands and will play w/ position against you, but if you havent done it very often then he isnt goin to see a flop EVEN w/ position w/ crap...i thought this was obv tho considerin villian is pretty decent???

EDIT: villian will have to adjust which uNL players typically cant do correctly. So if he typically folds to 3bet w/ those marginal hands now he will either
a. start 4bettin or call wider and mix it up postflop or
b. stop tryin to steal as much

both of these are benefits to us...
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