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Old 10-22-2007, 07:21 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

bad bad bad turn call, either raise or fold. ppl hardly ever bet/fold here in my experience, so i would fold.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:34 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

Wow fold the turn fast. People who are saying you have to shove here are right in theory, but I don't think he's folding if you do.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:35 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

i think river should would be spew
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

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You have to shove river after calling turn

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calling turn does not make a river shove +EV. i mean if you think shoving river makes $ long run then shove, but you seem to be implying that you can't give up now or whatever, which just isn't the case. it's like just bc you spew once doesn't mean you have to twice.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

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shove river

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why?
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:46 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

i think i'm pretty credible for a flush draw here, and if i make a straight on the river i should definitely get paid. anyone disagree? if not is calling the turn still that bad?

if i were going to shove or fold turn i'd fold, i don't really think he's getting fancy with a draw like this.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:47 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

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shove river

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why?

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Because you lose when you check......But you lose more when you shove here I think. This is why you should be folding the turn here.
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:50 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

the whole lfush draw thing doesn't work all that well for you since a lot of the time even if a flush card hits, he shoves the river anyway, giving you no opportunity to bluff it. furthermore, even if it does come and you try to rep it, he may just be like "oh [censored] it i don't think a solid reg would call the turn with just a flushdraw, i cawl."
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:51 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

also, you can already be drawing dead (well, to a chop) to 78
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Old 10-22-2007, 07:53 PM
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Default Re: 3/6 bluff flop then turn a draw vs. ja blue

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also, you can already be drawing dead (well, to a chop) to 78

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not likely in his preflop range even if my stats are a little off.
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