50nl, KK hand 200bb+ deep - Page 2

GSykes · #11 10-21-2007, 11:28 AM

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Yes, me personally I am happy to get it in on that board. Like I said, if I almost never 4 bet pf, then isnt it transparent what my hand is when I do? Maybe I give my opponents too much credit.

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the SB cold called if you call the SB is getting in there too.. you dont want to see a flop 3 way.

That being said I don't 4-bet to like 21.95

Profish2285 · #12 10-21-2007, 11:31 AM

Anyone who says 4 bet is seeming to also say fold to the 5th bet. That is honestly major spew unless u know for a fact it is aces and only aces. If you factor in ak or qq then it is a must call.

corsakh · #13 10-21-2007, 11:33 AM

Calling is bad, about 9 out of 10. 10 would be folding.

Profish2285 · #14 10-21-2007, 11:36 AM

I guess one more thing is, if you do 4 bet planning to fold to a 5th, again which I think is terrible until someone can show me where I am wrong, then what is the size of the 4 bet?

matrix · #15 10-21-2007, 11:45 AM

I flat call here and see the flop 3ways in position.

If an Ace drops and there is action in front of me I'd strongly consider folding.

We have a pocket pair 1 time in 8 a King flops and then we are in a re-raised pot THREE ways IN POSITION with nigh on the immortal nuts - I dream about spots like that.

I want to see a flop here - so I'd call.

I'd guess there is also a reasonable chance here that BB is trying a squeeze play with random junk and if he is he'll fold to our re-raise for sure and we lose value.

cons of calling:

we don't close the action - SB can yet re-raise and then we are in a [censored] spot and have to fold (this will almost never happen tho unless he has the goods)

If an Ace flops we just arrived in RIO central and probably the best play then is to fold and kick the cat or something...

I think that the combination of being in position after the flop with a good chance of flopping a set here vs 2 villains and possibly winning a HUGE POT makes this a call.

Kasane · #16 10-21-2007, 11:46 AM

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Anyone who says 4 bet is seeming to also say fold to the 5th bet. That is honestly major spew unless u know for a fact it is aces and only aces. If you factor in ak or qq then it is a must call.

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Villian's tend to be really honest 200BB+ deep, moderately aggro villains who call to much pf included.

A 5bet from villain would be really close to an automatic AA this deep and with these numbers for a non-maniac at these stakes.

Under 150BBs the range is mucho wider and pot odds and blah-blah blah...

Profish2285 · #17 10-21-2007, 11:48 AM

Thank you matrix, you said it better than I could. People are saying to reraise because you are in position, but shouldnt you be more likely to reraise oop?

ShipitFMA · #18 10-21-2007, 11:53 AM

When responding to this please MAKE SURE to let me know what you're doing if you raise and get shoved on; etc. I'd like to know what you're doing in every spot in this hand

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

MP: $21.40
CO: $38.85
BTN: $22.10
SB: $77.75
BB: $129.80
Hero (UTG): $113.75

Pre-Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $2, 3 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB raises to $6.50, Hero calls $4.50, SB calls $4.50

Flop: ($19.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB bets $13, Hero???

Profish2285 · #19 10-21-2007, 11:55 AM

I think once you get to the flop and you are three handed you must raise here. And yes, I am still getting it all in here as if you are willing to take a flop, then this is one of the safest ones out there, no A, Q, or J.

corsakh · #20 10-21-2007, 11:58 AM

At least its not AQJ [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]