Weird spot in 4bet pot, 25nl

[ShipitFMA]

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Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LegoPoker Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $24.65
SB: $21.25
BB: $5.05
UTG: $28.25
MP: $12
CO: $21.30

Pre-Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] dealt to Hero (BTN)
<font color="red">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, CO folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $3.50</font>, 2 folds, <font color="red">UTG raises to $6</font>, MP folds, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($13.35) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">UTG bets $5.25, Hero ????</font>

Easy shove?

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11,880 games 0.005 secs 2,376,000 games/sec

Board: 8c Jh 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 47.677% 47.68% 00.00% 5664 0.00 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 52.323% 52.32% 00.00% 6216 0.00 { QQ+ }


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

29,700 games 0.005 secs 5,940,000 games/sec

Board: 8c Jh 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 52.652% 43.18% 09.47% 12825 2812.50 { AcKc }
Hand 1: 47.348% 37.88% 09.47% 11250 2812.50 { TT+, AKs, AKo }


This makes a push fine, yes?

[BevillTheDevil]

i think your equity is good enough to push here even against JJ+, and you have some FE...Im not sure about pf. Its goin to be tough to get value out of hands you beat when you call and an A/K hits flop (unliss villian has AQ or somethin, which is probaly calin a push pf) so its kinda like you just call and hope to pick up some outs on the flop where its +EV to get it AI there...getin AI pf just makes life easyer and your typically a coin flip at worst against an unknown range IMO.

[ShipitFMA]

I feel both weird, stacking off preflop after his minraise and folding after his minraise. I'll assume thats a leak

[corsakh]

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[NL Newbie]

raise huge/shove whichever.

Oh and preflop, uh i hate calling AK i really hate it.

[BevillTheDevil]

i dunno i mean just callin his weak raise is probably fine. TBH im not sure if 1 way or another is 100% better here. I could see an reasonable argument for any play. Just my thinking on AK after gettin 4bet pf is typically to push or fold cause when you hit that A/K on the flop underpairs are obv more likely to fold so your not gettin much value out of them, or your gona fold to cbets if you dont hit. And if you stack off when the A/K hit your basically sayin villian cant have KK/AA (sets), and that he/she will hopefully stack off w/ like JJ-QQ/AQ; then why not just get AI pf when you are def coin flippin at worst?? This spot tho is a little different. Villians unknown, villian makes a weaksauce 4 bet, and you have position.

[ShipitFMA]

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raise huge/shove whichever.

Oh and preflop, uh i hate calling AK i really hate it.

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Man i feel so dirty both shoving and folding pf

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raise huge/shove whichever.

Oh and preflop, uh i hate calling AK i really hate it.

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Man i feel so dirty both shoving and folding pf

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Even if his range is exactly AA/KK preflop its ez call with position.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 76.877% 76.36% 00.52% 7844724 53437.50 { AdAh, AdAs, AhAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs }
Hand 1: 23.123% 22.60% 00.52% 2322225 53437.50 { AcKc }


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Against his range I just shove flop, if he has AA you have 9 outs, and a call commits you anyways because you're not folding when he shoves turn.

[NL Newbie]

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raise huge/shove whichever.

Oh and preflop, uh i hate calling AK i really hate it.

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Man i feel so dirty both shoving and folding pf

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Getting married to hands eh [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

AK isnt all that, seriously, [censored] 22 kicks its ass. in about every way IMO [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[bazooka87]

Preflop ehh I dunno, could go either way.
Flop I'm shoving all day