Two JJ hands , stars 200nl

[d2themfi]

Villain is 16/6 through 60 hands, hero is playing 21/17 for the session. Comments on preflop and flop too please

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

UTG ($271.45)
Hero ($206.20)
CO ($226.25)
Button ($60.50)
SB ($118.80)
BB ($43)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $8</font>, Hero calls $8, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($27) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $20</font>, Hero calls $20, CO folds.

Turn: ($67) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $40</font>,


villain is 35/25 over like 20 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($722.05)
SB ($341.55)
BB ($200.40)
UTG ($194)
Hero ($214)
CO ($347.55)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, CO calls $8, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>.

Flop: ($19) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $14</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to $38</font>,

[Roger Mainfield]

I raise flop on hand one to 60ish, there are too many cards that slow you down.

I 3-bet in the second hand.

[orange]

rog,
are you calling a shove vs. this player (if you raise the flop?)

op,
hand 1 i might peel again and fold the river. folding now can't be too bad vs. this specific opponent.

2 i call and get it in on a blank turn.

[ElDuque]

Hand 1 -- Should have 3-bet pf or raised flop bet to figure out how strong UTG is. Fold is best, but I don't mind call hoping to check it down. No way you put more money into this pot that isnt absolutely necessary.

Hand 2 -- You are probably way ahead or way behind. Readless, this is a clear fold.

[d2themfi]

Hand one, how many are 3btting preflop, how many are are raising the flop?

same question rob- are we 3betting the flop to get it in becasue i think agaisnt all but the most maniacal players this is bad

[Roger Mainfield]

[ QUOTE ]
rog,
are you calling a shove vs. this player (if you raise the flop?)


[/ QUOTE ]

Na I would assume he only shoves better hands and give up. In pos it can't be bad to call either, but I feel there are quite a few cards that will make it hard for you to get money out of lower PP's and I would assume that unknowns aren't gonna fire another bet with nothing.

[shpanko]

[ QUOTE ]
Hand 1 -- Should have 3-bet pf or raised flop bet to figure out how strong UTG is

[/ QUOTE ]

Eww, look at UTG's stats

[orange]

rog,
raise folding that flop with an overpair is no good. (hand 1).

[d2themfi]

ok basically my thinking on hand 1 preflop is 3betting wins me a small pot some times and most of the time i have to fold to his 4bet or get trapped by QQ for a big pot. On the flop his cbet into 2 people is somewhat troublesome so I just called and on teh turn i cant think of one hand I beat.

hand two- he is aggro, and I think I am close to even money against his range for raising the flop, but since Im OOP if I flat call, i risk giving a free card to a draw on the turn and getting semi bluffed off the best hand or getting value towned by a better hand if i continue to call. 3betting this flop is also bad imo becasue he is probably only folding air and a pair of tens(maybe) if I 3bet.

any comments on my reasoning and thinking would be appreciated

[carrotsnake]

I'd fold both