I suck (folded a set of jacks on the flop)

[Jay Riall]

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Pre-flop is bad

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Erm, no its not in the slightest.

[iOverlimpReraise]

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Preflop is whatever. Raise/folding the flop is lol though.

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[murmeltier21]

i don't see me ever EVER folding a set of jacks here vs an unknown. 54000BB deep maybe, but not just for 200. Just stick it in. I've seen guys do this with TcTx, AcKc, AcKx, KQ, (maybe KJ), QJ if he's bad. the thing is that you don't have a good enough read to fold this profitably after raising the flop.

another option is to just call the flop and get it in on a brick turn.

[futuredoc85]

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Pre-flop is bad

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Erm, no its not in the slightest.

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[Speedlimits]

just raise/call push.

You beat so many hands and have good equity vs most of the others. Just calling the flop bet is an option but I think raising is better.

[Michaelson]

Interesting thing about this spot is there really aren't that many combo draws, not good ones anyway. AcKc and that's about it. I never would have folded this, but I think it's very close. Sticking around here involves investing another ~$340 to protect $57 already invested. His range is probably something like AcKc, AT, T9, KK, QQ, KQ, KJ.

I might like this, which is weird because I don't fold sets ever.

[Xanta]

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Interesting thing about this spot is there really aren't that many combo draws, not good ones anyway. AcKc and that's about it. I never would have folded this, but I think it's very close. Sticking around here involves investing another ~$340 to protect $57 already invested. His range is probably something like AcKc, AT, T9, KK, QQ, KQ, KJ.

I might like this, which is weird because I don't fold sets ever.

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Pretty decent point, but some people like to open SCs from any position. Hell, I could even imagine TT doing this.

[Jack10]

"aren't there a gagillion cards that suck for me on the turn?"

If there are, then unles he has Ac Tc or 9c Tc, which are a very small portion of his range IMO, then there are a gagillion cards that suck for him too. And you are the one in position.

Preflop I would play the same; flop I would flat call again. Maybe you can boat up or if not you get to see what he does again, and can utilize your position in that you get to gain more info on his hand while your perceived range is presumably still quite large.

[Michaelson]

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Interesting thing about this spot is there really aren't that many combo draws, not good ones anyway. AcKc and that's about it. I never would have folded this, but I think it's very close. Sticking around here involves investing another ~$340 to protect $57 already invested. His range is probably something like AcKc, AT, T9, KK, QQ, KQ, KJ.

I might like this, which is weird because I don't fold sets ever.

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Pretty decent point, but some people like to open SCs from any position. Hell, I could even imagine TT doing this.

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IMO, it is a rare beast who b/3b's a flush or straight draw 200bb deep on that board at the Party 200NL tables.

Like I say, in the flow of the game I just shove and then maybe he shows TT and I gape at the screen in disbelief, but really, if he has a hand other than two pair that's behind he has played this not just very badly, but also with a reckless abandon that is uncommon for SSNL players who are deep.

[Xanta]

Jack that's kind of an interesting aside. I don't even know whether it's important in the least, but raising the flop makes it real easy for him to play almost every hand in his range. Calling could make his life miserable on the turn.