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Old 08-08-2007, 01:33 AM
colonel81 colonel81 is offline
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Default Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

Frequent Browser of the micro stakes and it has helped my game tremendously. this tough decision came up the other day, just thought what villians range could be. his stats were 35/25/4 granted over a small sample of twenty hands.


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($23)
SB :#A500AF(villian)/ ($28)
BB ($150.30)
UTG ($25.15)
UTG+1 ($12.90)
MP1 ($15)
MP2 ($10.65)
Hero ($24.65)
CO ($17.35)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB :#A500AF(villian)/ raises to $0.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $0.50.

Flop: ($1.75) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">villian bets $1.5</font>, Hero calls $1.50.

Turn: ($4.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">villian bets $1.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#CC3333">villian raises to $25.75</font>, Hero ????
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

only calling the flop sucks
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:36 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

yeah i know i had raised the previous six or so and mixed it up normally i raise. more or less wondering about the turn
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:39 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

sets, AK most of the time, overpairs some of the time. doubt he's doing this with top pair.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:40 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

You should be raising here pre-flop. Bottom two pair is not a hand that I would slow play especially on this flop. As played I am going to fold the turn. There are a number of hands that have us crushed: TT, QQ, JJ, AK, maybe QJ but I doubt it. The hands we are currently beating, AA, KK, AQ, AJ, KQ all have at least 8 outs to draw out on us.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:41 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

as played the turn looks like a call me bet, so jj+ AK, AQ, but you have outs, some equity, and position, maybe a turn call (to reevaluate river) is okay since you were not willing to commit with a flop raise
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

Dont call the flop. Raise it up to $4.50 and put pressure on the flush and str8 draws.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:44 AM
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I don't like a turn call here. You only have 4 outs if your behind and a hand like AA has 12 out against you. Even if your ahead your not ahead by much.
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:48 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

like i said fairly new was off by one in poker tracker database and just double checked villian his stats were 66/62/4. how bad does this change his range?
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Old 08-08-2007, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: Tough Call Facing Shove What Is Villians Range

Write this down on a piece of paper 200 times.

"I will not open limp"

Villain has you crushed or you are a slight favorite at best and you put yourself in this position by not folding preflop.
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