J,8o in BB - Page 2

PokerSparky · #11 08-06-2007, 06:09 PM

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You're not really "defending" here.

You're calling preflop because you're getting ~7.5-1. J8o is plenty good.

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I'd be curious to find out what hands people are calling with in the BB getting 7:1. I think I may be folding too much in this situation.

Do people call with J8o getting 5:1 preflop?

sebastien · #12 08-06-2007, 06:12 PM

i call bb differently if it s utg or co who open raise.
and in this situation i m afraid of my kiker with my jak and 8 win not often in 3way pot.

Zach6668 · #13 08-06-2007, 06:12 PM

I used to fold too often here as well.

I had this one guy, very succesfull player, rail me for one session, and he was telling me to defend with stuff I'd have auto-muck on without thinking twice. It blew my mind, lol. It was probably the single biggest reason I was in a big downswing/not playing well.

I wouldn't go much further south than my 8 kicker for offsuit jacks. Maybe J7o. Not J6o.

PokerSparky · #14 08-06-2007, 06:17 PM

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I used to fold too often here as well.

I had this one guy, very succesfull player, rail me for one session, and he was telling me to defend with stuff I'd have auto-muck on without thinking twice. It blew my mind, lol. It was probably the single biggest reason I was in a big downswing/not playing well.

I wouldn't go much further south than my 8 kicker for offsuit jacks. Maybe J7o. Not J6o.

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I defend against a steal raise with down to J7o, but I haven't been calling in the BB with J8o after an EP raise and a cold caller (or two).

sebastien · #15 08-06-2007, 06:21 PM

my standard is j9o if co raise and j8o if button raise.
i defend my bb at 50%
but i ve bad stat on my BB/100 in my position of BB.
i m curious about what is the standard bb/100 in BB

Oink · #16 08-06-2007, 06:47 PM

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I used to fold too often here as well.

I had this one guy, very succesfull player, rail me for one session, and he was telling me to defend with stuff I'd have auto-muck on without thinking twice. It blew my mind, lol. It was probably the single biggest reason I was in a big downswing/not playing well.

I wouldn't go much further south than my 8 kicker for offsuit jacks. Maybe J7o. Not J6o.

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I defend against a steal raise with down to J7o, but I haven't been calling in the BB with J8o after an EP raise and a cold caller (or two).

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The fact that there is two coldcallers in the pot indicate there is at least two bad players in the pot. I am not as much worried about being behind to the ep raiser's strong range as I am interested in playing a pot with bad players.

I dont like preflop rules for blind play since its so player dependent and the dynamics is important. But as a standard I want to play hands against bad players. So any hand with straight potential and decent pair potential will be played.

FWIW in this spot I would call J7o, T7o, 75o. I would prolly fold J6o.

If the odds were 5:1 I would prolly muck J7o and think about J8o. J9o would be a call in most spots.

sebastien · #17 08-06-2007, 06:50 PM

t7o [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
how can i learn blind defense??

PokerSparky · #18 08-06-2007, 06:55 PM

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t7o [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
how can i learn blind defense??

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He isn't talking about blind defense.

sebastien · #19 08-06-2007, 07:03 PM

yes.
i would say how to play in bb

TheDudeChad · #20 08-06-2007, 07:15 PM

I'd call J8o in the BB here closing the action getting 7.5:1 without thinking twice. I'm probably way too loose in these situations, though. I'd probably call 65o+, 97o+, T7o+ here. Suited maybe 54s+, 75s+, 85s+.

I'm also in the camp of leading the flop and hoping UTG raises overcards.