$16-AKs, dumb spot

ADLinden · #1 07-09-2007, 06:32 PM

Weird spot, I never know what to do here....

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t15/t30
9 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t1580
UTG+1: t1235
MP1: t1410
MP2: t1430
MP3: t1645
CO: t2680
Button: t1295
SB: t635
Hero: t1590

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, MP1 calls t30 (pot was t45), MP2 calls t30 (pot was t75), MP3 folds, CO calls t30 (pot was t105), Button folds, SB calls t15 Hero?.

Results:
Final pot: t150

TruFloridaGator · #2 07-09-2007, 06:33 PM

I just shove no reason not to.

Cair Paravel · #3 07-09-2007, 07:25 PM

I'm not ecstatic about pushing this early, but it's definitely unexploitable, and I'd probably end up doing it. Against one or two limpers, I'd probably make a more traditional raise.

Kevin8423 · #4 07-09-2007, 07:33 PM

I raise to 180-200. If this had been 25/50 with that many limpers then I lean towards shoving.

cban · #5 07-09-2007, 07:34 PM

i dont really want some smarty pants putting me on AK and calling my AI with a small pair here. why not just raise 180-210 and see a flop ( if anyone calls). that push is kind of screaming AK if you ask me. and its too early to enjoy flipping.

holy32 · #6 07-09-2007, 07:34 PM

What speaks against shoving, is that there isn't much money to be earned if everyone does fold and you don't really want to get into coinflip situations on purpose here.

I like a more traditional raise, something like 200-220. Playing OOP sucks, but you have a strong hand, and should be happy to build a pot anyways.

Kevin8423 · #7 07-09-2007, 07:35 PM

Shoving isn't bad, you get looked up by AJ+ or even worse very often in $16s. With that said I think you can get a lot more value with a raise pf.

cban · #8 07-09-2007, 07:36 PM

nice bets kev and holy [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 3 posts at the same time , saying the same thing...

Pudge714 · #9 07-09-2007, 07:44 PM

Check or 200. I think shoving is pretty bad, although clearly +EV there are much more you can gain more by taking alternate line. I agree about shoving at 25/50.

RRizGod · #10 07-09-2007, 07:47 PM

shoving = bad

if these guys are total calling stations, I would probably just check and try and play a small pot out of position. I don't really like raising out of position so bad with out something like QQ+

If they are solid players who can fold preflop, I would lean toward raising and pricing out the small PP limpers.