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Old 03-18-2006, 10:02 AM
CorvusMonedula CorvusMonedula is offline
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Default Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

I wonder if anyone can offer some good advice regarding this. Blind defence in tournaments is clearly critically important, but I am having some difficulty in deciding just when and where to do so particularly in limit tournies.

If we stipulate the following;
1. One middle position raiser and no other callers.
2. We don't know much about the raiser (as is often the case in tournies as opposed to cash games), but we assume he has a decent hand such as A2, A3s, 4 high cards, AA, 4 wheel cards.

What would you defend with either early in the tourny when the stacks are deep in relation to the blinds and later when a call is a much larger proportion of your stack (more than 10%).

Obviously you're going to defend with any hand you would normally play anyway, what I'm really interested in is how far you'll let your standards slip under these conditions.
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Old 03-18-2006, 11:37 AM
FeliciaLee FeliciaLee is offline
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Default Re: Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

I rarely ever fold my BB for one more bet in LO8. No hand is that much of a dog to another and you are almost always getting great odds on a call.

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Old 03-19-2006, 06:10 PM
MikeGuz MikeGuz is offline
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Default Re: Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

Assuming the sb folds you are getting 3.5 sb to your call - seems to me heads up you will be hard pressed to find a hand that is that big a dog in LO8.

BTW you have some good info on the raiser who probably has a predictable combination of hands you can use to your benefit say you flop 2 pair if the board doesn't pair his AA - KK is in bad shape. Guess I can think of more reasons to call a raise in this game than not.
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Old 03-19-2006, 08:55 PM
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Default Re: Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

Corvus - Early in the tournament, when the blinds are small relative to your stack size, it's an easy decision. (I think you defend your blind. Period.)

Later in the tournament, when blind defense will take many of your chips possibly putting you in the position where if you continue much past seeing the flop you'll be all in, the decision is tougher.

Played one-on-one, unless you're up against AAXY, no hand you hold is probably far behind the attacker, if indeed you're behind at all. In other words, most one-on-one confrontations are coin flips or close to coin flips. On the one hand, you don't want to very often risk your tournament survival on the toss of a coin. On the other hand, you don't want to let someone steal your blind with a hand that is not actually much better (if better at all) than your own hand.

The stack size of the attacker is important. You want to avoid confrontations with fat cats who have large stacks. Alas, that's probably where the attack will come from.

What you really want to do is avoid being in the position where someone will attack your blind. And the best way to avoid being in this position is to let it be known by your actions (NOT your mouth) that you defend your blind.

There will come a time in a tournament where individuals (perhaps including you) will be looking for blinds to steal in order to survive. Good tournament players watch for opponents who might be easy targets for blind steals. And that is why you want to defend your blind in the early stages of the tournament when defense is relatively less expensive in terms of the proportion of your own stack size that would be involved in the defense. (You defend so that you won't become a target when someone is looking for a relatively easy blind to steal).

Late in the tournament, whether to defend or not is a very difficult, high pressure, decision. There's no simple answer as to what to do. For me it depends somewhat on who is doing the attacking, but I probably tend to over-defend, always thinking about my table image and the next tournament. I do not want my blind attacked - especially by someone who thinks I'm an easy target. It's just as simple as that, and I do what I can to avoid looking like an easy target.

In the short run, you may do better by not defending, but in the long run I think you do worse. What I mean is there will be other tournaments and you'll run across the same individuals playing in them over and over. Many of those who consistently make the final tabel will remember whether or not you have been a soft target for blind steals.

When you do defend, I think it should often be with a re-raise. Let everyone know that whoever attacks your blind is putting his/her stack at risk too.

Buzz
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Old 03-21-2006, 12:57 AM
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Default Re: Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

Not to mention, you have a small advantage in the respect that you know partially his hand, while yours is a complete mistery to him.
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Old 03-31-2006, 05:53 PM
CorvusMonedula CorvusMonedula is offline
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Default Re: Defence of BB in Limit Tournaments

Thank you all for your input. When I first read just Felicia's reply, I thought, it can't be that simple surely! (no offence Felicia i'm sure you know more about this game than me).
However, I decided to try it. I defended EVERY time my bb was raised, even late on with utter rubbish. Inevitably I found myself having to check and fold a lot of flops, until reached the point my stack couldn't sensibly face a call/check/fold scenario at which point I just jammed pre-flop and then on the flop (regardless of what came). Sometimes I went out, sometimes I doubled up.

Buzz everything you said rings completely true. I particularly like what you say about table image if you defend - added to the fact that I really do prefer to defend my bb means I will now defend most of the time, although, I've moved away from the 100% defence stance!
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