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Old 11-26-2007, 05:45 PM
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What about chip shuffling? I feel a good chip shuffle gives me at least a 5-6% edge vs my opponents.

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8-9%
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Old 11-26-2007, 05:46 PM
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Old 11-26-2007, 06:19 PM
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sklansky owns nvg, literally

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Old 11-26-2007, 06:55 PM
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edited to add: Sklansky, there are many HSNl players such as ansky on 2+2 and mjorgenson (who is one of the top players at 6 handed or HU in the world) who made their bones playing torunaments, and are still considered the top tournament players online. Those tourneys all play with antes so the idea that they guys, who excel at both, couldnt adjust is silly.

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ahnuld, one issue is that by the time online tournaments get to an ante stage, stacks are much shallower compared to live games.

i wouldn't argue that the top online players don't have the ability to become among the top live players. of course, however, online games and live games play much differently. a player who has predominantly played one form would have to make appropriate adjustments before becoming proficient at the other form.
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Old 11-26-2007, 07:29 PM
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What about chip shuffling? I feel a good chip shuffle gives me at least a 5-6% edge vs my opponents.

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8-9%

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8-9% over what sample size? I've never heard of a sustainable chip shuffle advantage of more than 6%
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Old 11-26-2007, 08:12 PM
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Old 11-26-2007, 10:22 PM
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What about chip shuffling? I feel a good chip shuffle gives me at least a 5-6% edge vs my opponents.

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8-9%

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8-9% over what sample size? I've never heard of a sustainable chip shuffle advantage of more than 6%

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While a sustained chip shuffling advantage of 6% is at or near the upper limit in Limit Hold 'Em, a CS advantage in No Limit Hold 'Em could easily reach 11% and be sustainable.
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Old 11-26-2007, 11:09 PM
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Generally I'm not the type to say told you so.
Here's my lone post from the Last Words thread...


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This needed a 3rd thread because??

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To be answered and clarified in a 4th thread.

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Old 11-26-2007, 11:36 PM
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When I mentioned that the existence or non existence of an ante is a bigger factor than ultra large stacks or the ability to fold the second nuts I left out the subject of live tells. Many of you have speculated that tells would in fact be the factor that gives the live players the edge. But it is not. Online players are smart enough to quickly learn to pick up tells if they are truly there and to give off fake tells. If they have a disadvantage it is because of the ante. Like I said.

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David,

equivalent statement: for the top 20 online NLHE players, adjusting to an ante is more difficult than deciphering live tells and cloaking one's own.

please clarify: how big is the ante? assume stakes are $200-$400, 9-handed. is this ante $50 or $100? or do you believe the above is true for BOTH ante sizes?


suggested by your argument: if there were a 10-handed online nl game with an ante and any stacks 100bb or higher, the top live players would play the top 20 online players.

do you think those same top live players excluding Ivey and Antonius would agree with your statement on live tells vs. the ante? and would Antonius agree?
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Old 11-27-2007, 03:48 AM
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