Requesting to see mucked cards at showdown?

[Dagger78]

I was wondering if there is any type of rule about this, or is it cardroom specific? The reason I ask is because this rule is in place to pervent collusion(please correct me if I'm wrong), and I've been asked to show my cards in heads up pots from people not involved in the hand. Nothing really irritates me at the poker table except when some guy asks to see my hand just because he wants to know what I played that way. I'd really rather not share how I play if I can avoid it.

Should I just ask a floorman when I arrive on the house's specific rules concerning this?

[StrayBullet]

If it's excessive, you can notify the Floor and have it stopped, the player(s) in question have NO right to the information and are using a rule incorrectly to gain information they wouldn't have had.

Another angle (pun intended) is to abuse the player asking to see the cards with a quip along the lines, "sure, you can see 'em, you must be the only one at the table who doesn't already know what I have."

I admit this gets to me as well, but I'm finding ways to deal with it, instead of letting it affect my game.

[AlienBoy]

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If it's excessive, you can notify the Floor and have it stopped, the player(s) in question have NO right to the information and are using a rule incorrectly to gain information they wouldn't have had.

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????

At every B&M I've played at (Los Angeles and Las Vegas) the rule is "any called hand must be shown on request by *any* player dealt into that hand"

I.e.any hand that is called (or that calls) on the river must be shown to any player that requests it, regardless if the requesting player folded before the river.

If *no one* calls your hand at the river (all fold) then no, your hand cannot be shown. But as long as one person calls you at showdown, then anyone involved in that hand can ask to see your hand.

Online, you need only look in the hand history to see what everyone had at showdown.


Of course, FOLDS cannot be revealed at anytime.


AB

[Jekyll]

Argg, HUGE pet peeve of mine. When the person is involved in the hand, it is just a minor annoyance. When some guy folded pre-flop, watches all the action while sucking on a corona, then wants to know what I folded at the end? F**K HIM. I was playing 2-5NL at the borgata once, and there was a guy in a wheelchair who did this EVERY hand. I didn't say anything at first, cuz i kinda felt bad for him, but when he kept doing it, I got moved to a different table. I keep a pretty cool head most of the time, but that move always gets me hot.
Personal grievances aside, every cardroom I've been to in AC allows it, as far as I know. Put better, I've never seen a dealer say no to the request.

[LasVegasMichael]

Varies by casino.

Usually, only players involved in the hand at showdown may ask to see a called hand.

However, some casinos allow any player at the table to see any hand that went to showdown.

Best bet would bee to ask about house rules.

[Jive Dadson]

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Varies by casino.

Usually, only players involved in the hand at showdown may ask to see a called hand.

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That doesn't make any sense. A player who has been raised out of the pot is most likely to suspect collusion. Futhermore, anyone who is going to play in the next pot, and the next, has an interest in knowing if the game is on the up-and-up, not just those who were in at the showdown of this pot.

It's a stupid rule, because it doesn't even do much to prevent collusion. Either the rule should be dropped, or the rule should be all hands in a showdown must always show, whether anyone asks or not. I would prefer the rule be abandoned.

[steamraise]

I hear the rule was originally written to prevent colusion.

The way it's used (and written?) now
people use it for info on how you play.

Some floor people will rule that if you don't suspect
colusion you can't see the cards. Or if you don't keep
your cards available to see also you can't see the cards.

Maybe the rule needs to be changed so the
floor can just rule according to the book.

[effang]

This was something I never understood. Online, you get to see everything at showdown. Unless of course it wasn't heads up. I think the same should be in real life. This is especially true since many players do now know showdown rules and are showing hands out of turn and out of fashion. This means that as long as I wait on my hand, guarantee somebody else will show first, and if they win, I'll muck, even though I should have shown first.

I think heads up in showdowns, if somebody wants it, they should be able to get it, unless casinos start enforcing the order that people show.

[pig4bill]

A lot of the Vegas casinos have the rules posted. Most of the ones I play at allow any player that was dealt in to the hand ask to see. You can do what I've seen some people do - even after it's been asked that the hand be shown, they'll fire the cards into the muck. The dealer usually says nothing.

[TBZ]

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You can do what I've seen some people do - even after it's been asked that the hand be shown, they'll fire the cards into the muck. The dealer usually says nothing.

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Works EVERY time!