2pair facing river shove on 50NL

mAkCQRE · #1 11-24-2007, 03:50 PM

CO is a HUGE nit, 12.7 / 0.9 / 1.5, 110 hands
MP is a donator but that shouldnt concern us much.

This river is a fold imho, what do you think about it?
Also what do you think about the turn bet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($51.40)
UTG ($38.20)
MP ($4.15)
CO ($48.65)
Button ($37.25)
SB ($17.10)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: ($2.25) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $1.5, UTG calls $1.50, MP raises to $3.65, CO calls $3.65, Hero calls $2.15, UTG folds.

Turn: ($14.70) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $10.5, CO calls $10.50.

River: ($35.70) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $34 (All-In), Hero ...

Draidin · #2 11-24-2007, 03:57 PM

Looks like MP raised because he had a better ace than yours.
Turn bet is good. But did MP fold?? Seems strange if he did considering his flop action.
CO goes all-in on the river but i doubt he has the club flush.
He may have two diamonds and is now trying to steal [since he is a nit]

mAkCQRE · #3 11-24-2007, 04:43 PM

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Looks like MP raised because he had a better ace than yours.
Turn bet is good. But did MP fold?? Seems strange if he did considering his flop action.
CO goes all-in on the river but i doubt he has the club flush.
He may have two diamonds and is now trying to steal [since he is a nit]

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MP ($4.15): he is allin by the flop
club flush? theres no flush possible.

LiveNow · #4 11-24-2007, 04:44 PM

when you lead turn, how are you reacting to a shove?

WHITEBOYAEHS · #5 11-24-2007, 04:51 PM

looks like you checked here to induce a bluff because given action in the hand you have to have co beat often enough for it to be +ev, no? does he just SHOVE a hand that beats you here for value after you CHECK to him???

WHITEBOYAEHS · #6 11-24-2007, 04:52 PM

meh...just seems fishy to me...i vbet river for about $20.... as played i call ....

WHITEBOYAEHS · #7 11-24-2007, 04:53 PM

fwiw as played on flop i fold, but usually with 3 people in i c/c here because you have no kicker and dont want too big of a pot...

LiveNow · #8 11-24-2007, 04:56 PM

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fwiw as played on flop i fold, but usually with 3 people in i c/c here because you have no kicker and dont want too big of a pot...

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not leading sucks

mAkCQRE · #9 11-24-2007, 05:10 PM

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when you lead turn, how are you reacting to a shove?

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im am a bit more likely to call a turn shove than a river shove, not alot tho

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looks like you checked here to induce a bluff because given action in the hand you have to have co beat often enough for it to be +ev, no? does he just SHOVE a hand that beats you here for value after you CHECK to him???

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yes i did

i think hes more likely to just shove the nuts for value than shove on a bluff, he is a huge nit after all

Ace0fSpades · #10 11-24-2007, 05:11 PM

Calling this flop raise is spew in a multiway pot. Also, leading in this flop is not that great either as you allow the random junk 2pair/draw hands to build the pot and have position on you. As played fold the flop, assuming you don't, a check/raise all-in works best on the turn if you're looking for value. Honestly, against a nit like this his range is fairly evenly split between AT+ and a set.