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#31
10-08-2007, 09:37 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
pokey,
notice i was refering to barry's post. if we donk turn, villan raises, we...? i think this is a fold most times, though i'm sure its very close and stacking off would not be too big of a mistake, if at all. 
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#32
10-08-2007, 09:41 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
1.) that would be 100% wrong here
2.) we don't want him to fold AK... we are a coinflip for the whole hand, but not the flop 3.) we don't want over calls with QQ, more relevant if we had AA-KK 4.) maaaybe, but i don't see that in the villains 2 agg factor 5.) mixing it up to get respect for our overcalls??? i'm sorry, but that is a waste of time most of the time smoothcalling preflop with QQ is only ok given frequent squeezers or some weird stack size situation. i dont see that here
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#33
10-08-2007, 09:42 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
pokey, i don't think any of the reaons you gave qualify in this situation. Jay bullys tags alot. 2 and 6 are most relevant I guess.
Jays just slowplaying basically. A nits calling range will be really tight, JJ+ AK probably or maybe a little looser. Also, utg might not be bad enough to call a 3b with a wide range. pf really depends on the limper, if hes really bad and will call a 3b with a wide range then i hate the pf call
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#34
10-08-2007, 09:48 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
[ QUOTE ]
1.) that would be 100% wrong here 2.) we don't want him to fold AK... we are a coinflip for the whole hand, but not the flop 3.) we don't want over calls with QQ, more relevant if we had AA-KK 4.) maaaybe, but i don't see that in the villains 2 agg factor 5.) mixing it up to get respect for our overcalls??? i'm sorry, but that is a waste of time most of the time smoothcalling preflop with QQ is only ok given frequent squeezers or some weird stack size situation. i dont see that here [/ QUOTE ] i actually really like calling pre, cos a 17/12 that raises the limper then gets 3-bet by the bb will have a redic tight calling range, and we'll be just like 'wtf?' the whole hand
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#35
10-08-2007, 09:48 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
[ QUOTE ]
pokey, notice i was refering to barry's post. if we donk turn, villan raises, we...? i think this is a fold most times, though i'm sure its very close and stacking off would not be too big of a mistake, if at all. [/ QUOTE ] Ah! Missed that. Yeah, I agree with you completely.
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#36
10-08-2007, 09:49 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] 1.) that would be 100% wrong here 2.) we don't want him to fold AK... we are a coinflip for the whole hand, but not the flop 3.) we don't want over calls with QQ, more relevant if we had AA-KK 4.) maaaybe, but i don't see that in the villains 2 agg factor 5.) mixing it up to get respect for our overcalls??? i'm sorry, but that is a waste of time most of the time smoothcalling preflop with QQ is only ok given frequent squeezers or some weird stack size situation. i dont see that here [/ QUOTE ] i actually really like calling pre, cos a 17/12 that raises the limper then gets 3-bet by the bb will have a redic tight calling range, and we'll be just like 'wtf?' the whole hand [/ QUOTE ] since when do nits autofold their entire open range to a 3bet? let me know where these guys are so i can abuse them he's calling with 88+/AK, maybe AQ
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#37
10-08-2007, 09:50 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1.) that would be 100% wrong here 2.) we don't want him to fold AK... we are a coinflip for the whole hand, but not the flop 3.) we don't want over calls with QQ, more relevant if we had AA-KK 4.) maaaybe, but i don't see that in the villains 2 agg factor 5.) mixing it up to get respect for our overcalls??? i'm sorry, but that is a waste of time most of the time smoothcalling preflop with QQ is only ok given frequent squeezers or some weird stack size situation. i dont see that here [/ QUOTE ] i actually really like calling pre, cos a 17/12 that raises the limper then gets 3-bet by the bb will have a redic tight calling range, and we'll be just like 'wtf?' the whole hand [/ QUOTE ] since when do nits autofold their entire open range to a 3bet? let me know where these guys are so i can abuse them he's calling with 88+/AK, maybe AQ [/ QUOTE ] While I agree with almost all your posts, this simply just isn't true.
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#39
10-08-2007, 09:52 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
i think preflop is fine, esp with your image and vs such a tight opener, would obv be better with AA.
If you check turn, wouldn't a c/r be better on river? He might check behind with like AK, but he is also not likely calling a bet with ace high. And at that point he should be value betting alot of worse hands.
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#40
10-08-2007, 09:52 PM
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Re: QQ in raised pot
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 1.) that would be 100% wrong here 2.) we don't want him to fold AK... we are a coinflip for the whole hand, but not the flop 3.) we don't want over calls with QQ, more relevant if we had AA-KK 4.) maaaybe, but i don't see that in the villains 2 agg factor 5.) mixing it up to get respect for our overcalls??? i'm sorry, but that is a waste of time most of the time smoothcalling preflop with QQ is only ok given frequent squeezers or some weird stack size situation. i dont see that here [/ QUOTE ] i actually really like calling pre, cos a 17/12 that raises the limper then gets 3-bet by the bb will have a redic tight calling range, and we'll be just like 'wtf?' the whole hand [/ QUOTE ] since when do nits autofold their entire open range to a 3bet? let me know where these guys are so i can abuse them he's calling with 88+/AK, maybe AQ [/ QUOTE ] While I agree with almost all your posts, this simply just isn't true. [/ QUOTE ] You're right, his range is probably a lot wider because nits suck.
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