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Old 08-24-2007, 02:42 PM
mongidig mongidig is offline
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Default Turn decision with draw.

20-40 live 9 handed.

UTG limps, MP calls, SB completes and I check in BB with 7c5c.

The flop: 4c8dTc

I bet, UTG calls(He is fairly tight and seems straightforward.), Folded to SB who calls.

The turn: 4c8dTcQh

SB checks, I check, UTG bets, SB raises(He is pretty loose preflop but plays well and pretty straight forward postflop. He does not miss value bets.) it is up to me. What should I do?
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:51 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

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What should I do?

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Go back in time and bet the turn.
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Old 08-24-2007, 02:53 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

It's pretty close. I would call but I don't hate folding.
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Old 08-24-2007, 03:12 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

I thought about betting the turn. My gut told me that at least one of these guys had a made hand and were not folding at any time. Although betting here wouldn't be bad since I have a big draw and even if both called it could be for value or it's possible they could fold. In retrospect betting out here would have given me better odds to call the raise.

If you only had the flush draw would you still bet the turn?
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Old 08-24-2007, 05:02 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

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If you only had the flush draw would you still bet the turn?

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Yes. Betting out on a draw-heavy flop and then checking the turn is basically turning your hand face up.
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Old 08-25-2007, 04:37 AM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

Fold. Someone probably already has a straight that is bigger than the one you are drawing to. If someone has two pair or a set, 8c or Qc will fill them up. So we're looking at 7 outs or 39:7 or 5.6:1. the pots offering 6.5:2 or 3.75 to 1. And you could get taken for 2 more bets here. And there could be a bigger flush draw out there. Fold.
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Old 08-25-2007, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: Turn decision with draw.

It's close. J9/2pair are definitely within ranges here.

Your question is about the turn play, but I think c/ring the flop is a bit better. Your hand has enough equity so that you can tie yourself/opponents to the hand.
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