KQs against a 3-bet - Page 2

sharpie · #11 07-30-2007, 07:28 PM

That is assuming we see 2 cards. Most will fire on the turn so the equity we get to realize isn't as much. There are also some reverse implied odds involved.

JorgeG17 · #12 07-30-2007, 08:37 PM

This is HU? If so I fold, his line seems like an overpair and I don't think that all of your outs are clean.

cold_cash · #13 07-30-2007, 10:20 PM

is this ten handed?

cold_cash · #14 07-30-2007, 10:21 PM

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This is HU? If so I fold, his line seems like an overpair and I don't think that all of your outs are clean.

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He 3-bet preflop and bet the flop when checked to. I don't know if we should be giving him two Aces just yet.

marchron · #15 07-30-2007, 10:50 PM

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This is HU? If so I fold, his line seems like an overpair and I don't think that all of your outs are clean.

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He 3-bet preflop and bet the flop when checked to. I don't know if we should be giving him two Aces just yet.

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He doesn't have to have AA to leave us in deep [censored]. Unless Villain's a maniac, the entirety of his preflop range is either beating us or crushing us, and we have no good draws to bail us out.

Check/fold.

cold_cash · #16 07-30-2007, 11:00 PM

First of all, if this is a live game and unknown player I would agree with you. Typical live players 3-bet w/ QQ-AA and sometimes AK.

If it's online, I don't. All pairs and AJ go in, and there are 8 bets in the pot. If it's shorthanded even more hands go in.

sharpie · #17 07-30-2007, 11:13 PM

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First of all, if this is a live game and unknown player I would agree with you. Typical live players 3-bet w/ QQ-AA and sometimes AK.

If it's online, I don't. All pairs and AJ go in, and there are 8 bets in the pot. If it's shorthanded even more hands go in.

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AJ and any pair in fullring?

cold_cash · #18 07-30-2007, 11:24 PM

A lot of the time I think so, yes.

I'm positive we need to give him more than AA-QQ and AK though. Actually, even if he has exactly that hand range I still think folding the flop getting 8:1 is a mistake, and when you throw in 88-JJ, (which it seems like we have to, right? I mean come on, AA-QQ and AK only?), it seems like an easy 'call and see'.

marchron · #19 07-30-2007, 11:25 PM

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A lot of the time I think so, yes.

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No.

And OP's listing of himself as UTG+2 means it's full ring. Third to act in a 6-max game would be CO.

cold_cash · #20 07-30-2007, 11:28 PM

So nobody's 3-betting w/ Tens or Jacks anymore?

Why do we even call to take the flop then?