Pokerstars 5,400 FPP sng satellite to the Sunday Million

[freerollerjb]

Has anyone here played these? 10 person sng, entry 5,400 FPP's, top 4 advance to the Sunday Million.

If you qualify, can you unregister from the Sunday Million and take the t money?

Thanks.

[MicroBob]

yes you can unregister for T$.

I went 1 for 2 on them the other day. Woot!!

[punkass]

everyone says they are a very good value, and filled with people who don't play the sng's well.

I myself have run very bad in them, but you can cash out T$ if you get a seat. If you do well in sng's, they're good.

Apparently I do not. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

[thing85]

They seems to have pretty high variance, but good value imo.

[MicroBob]

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high variance?
4 out of 10 get a seat.
I mean, yeah you can go 10 straight and only win 1 or 2 i guess. But I really don't think this structure is high-variance.

If it was instead 1 in 10 wins $860 or 1 in 20 wins $1720 or something like that then I would view them as high variance.

They are definitely different types of SNG's though and some interpretation of situations needs to be undertaken.
It's not just about your specific EV on a particular hand when on the bubble. It's about reading the whoe situation. Even if you are shortest stack it can sometimes be prudent to wait and see if someone else decides to go crazy with AQ and knock themselves out.
Obviously getting a monster chip-lead has far less value than in most tourney situations because 4th place pays the same as 1st.


Maybe I've just run well in the handful of these that I've played and that will inevitably lead to cockyness and that I've somehow figured them all out completely.
But there have been very few of these that I've played where I've considered the field to be 'tough'. Lots of mistakes, that probably aren't so terrible in a regular SNG but really stick out in the different pay-structure of these SNG's.

[Alobar]

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They seems to have pretty high variance, but good value imo.

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high variance?
4 out of 10 get a seat.
I mean, yeah you can go 10 straight and only win 1 or 2 i guess. But I really don't think this structure is high-variance.

If it was instead 1 in 10 wins $860 or 1 in 20 wins $1720 or something like that then I would view them as high variance.

They are definitely different types of SNG's though and some interpretation of situations needs to be undertaken.
It's not just about your specific EV on a particular hand when on the bubble. It's about reading the whoe situation. Even if you are shortest stack it can sometimes be prudent to wait and see if someone else decides to go crazy with AQ and knock themselves out.
Obviously getting a monster chip-lead has far less value than in most tourney situations because 4th place pays the same as 1st.


Maybe I've just run well in the handful of these that I've played and that will inevitably lead to cockyness and that I've somehow figured them all out completely.
But there have been very few of these that I've played where I've considered the field to be 'tough'. Lots of mistakes, that probably aren't so terrible in a regular SNG but really stick out in the different pay-structure of these SNG's.

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The ones ive played in, everyone plays so god damn slow, and is so freaking nitty, that after like 15 hands no one has lost any significant amount of chips, and the blinds are high enough that its push/fold poker. Even tho it seems everyone is terrible, you are still going to get busted out 5 thru 10 alot when your 70/30 coinflip (this is stars) misses.

[MicroBob]

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The ones ive played in, everyone plays so god damn slow, and is so freaking nitty, that after like 15 hands no one has lost any significant amount of chips, and the blinds are high enough that its push/fold poker. Even tho it seems everyone is terrible, you are still going to get busted out 5 thru 10 alot when your 70/30 coinflip (this is stars) misses.

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Alobar - while much of that is true I also believe you are partly making my point for me. Yes, players get nitty and rag it out. But I think many push/fold decisions that are almost automatic pushes in a regular tourney because of your low M become big mistakes with this kind of payout.

I'm far from an SNG expert or anything and I've probably just been running hot. But I think some pretty bad mistakes are made in these things even by the ones who aren't shoving in the opening level with KJ or whatever.
The payout really turns everything on its head and I think it quickly becomes correct to pass up +EV calls in order to ensure survival.
Even when you're down to 3-5 BB's or whatever it might not be insta-shove time. Especially since the ante's will not have kicked-in at all giving you better opportunities to pseudo-wait it out. Not all the time of course.


But I do acknowledge that I haven't exactly run any math on this stuff and mayhe my theories are -EV and I've just been running hot.
I've won an awful lot of these when I've been the short-stack or close to it with 5 or 6 players left. And at points like that whether short or big stacked I think it can play almost the exact opposite of a regular SNG in some ways. People make adjustments...but sometimes it's too much and sometimes it's not enough.

[freerollerjb]

yes, I much prefer cash games, but I started out playing sng's, so I may give it a shot.

[thing85]

Honestly, if you don't earn many FPPs and it takes you a long time to save up 5,400 FPPs, I would use them on something else. Otherwise, if/when you lose one of these sngs, it's going to tilt you because you'll be thinking "[censored], it took me 2 months to save up those FPPs and now I have nothing to show for it."

On the other hand, if you earn them quickly, you'll get long-term value out of them by playing enough to minimize the effects of variance that you feel.

[MicroBob]

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Honestly, if you don't earn many FPPs and it takes you a long time to save up 5,400 FPPs, I would use them on something else. Otherwise, if/when you lose one of these sngs, it's going to tilt you because you'll be thinking "[censored], it took me 2 months to save up those FPPs and now I have nothing to show for it."

On the other hand, if you earn them quickly, you'll get long-term value out of them by playing enough to minimize the effects of variance that you feel.

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good point.
I typically get over 5400 FPP's more days than not.
If 5400 FPP's represents a month's worth of effort for you then definitely consider spending them on something else.
FWIW - a lot of the scheduled FPP and FPP rebuy satellite tourneys probably have good value and you can get either T$ or W$ out of those.

And if you really want to low-roll some FPP SNG's there are always the 70FPP single-table sat's to win a T$11 to the Hundred-Grand.