A6o facing river overbet

FionnMac · #1 09-30-2007, 11:49 PM

I was taking a shot at 5/10 so villain likely knows nothing about me, i couldn't tell if he was a good or bad shortie but he was 20/7/6 over 70 hands fwiw. Time for a hero call?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (4 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($0)
SB ($400.50)
BB ($601.48)
Hero ($2371.59)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $30, SB calls $25, 1 fold.

Flop: ($70) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($70) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $55, Hero calls $55.

River: ($180) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB shoves $315.50 (All-In), Hero?

I just found a similar hand i'd like people's thoughts on too, villain is unknown but seems fairly active over the 20 odd hands i've been at the table -

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Button ($760.80)
SB ($539.10)
BB ($400)
UTG ($196)
Hero ($419)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($34) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $22, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($78) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $44, Hero calls $44.

River: ($166) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $212, Hero?

ArturiusX · #2 10-01-2007, 12:15 AM

Hand 1, I call, I see bone head plays like this all the time.

Hand 2 is tougher, but I think its still a call, he's 'vbing' lower aces as much as anything else, and there's also retarded bluffs mixed in. I think a call is fine in both.

berserk · #3 10-01-2007, 12:22 AM

Ehh i fold both

KeanuReaver · #4 10-01-2007, 12:32 AM

hand 1: flip a coin, if its heads call, if it's tails fold.
hand 2: raise flop to make this hand 852305720937x easier. as played, ask yourself "dang why didn't i listen to keanu's advice" then suicide. or just fold.

David1234 · #5 10-01-2007, 12:56 AM

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Hand 1, I call, I see bone head plays like this all the time.

Hand 2 is tougher, but I think its still a call, he's 'vbing' lower aces as much as anything else, and there's also retarded bluffs mixed in. I think a call is fine in both.

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his line is pretty strong, you really call this w/o reads?

dtan05 · #6 10-01-2007, 01:01 AM

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Ehh i fold both

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ChrisV · #7 10-01-2007, 01:17 AM

I fold both. Hand 1 is closest by far. Hand 2 is snap fold.

jono · #8 10-01-2007, 01:43 AM

1. fold

2. really close, close your eyes and call

markuisis · #9 10-01-2007, 02:10 AM

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Hand 1, I call, I see bone head plays like this all the time.

Hand 2 is tougher, but I think its still a call, he's 'vbing' lower aces as much as anything else, and there's also retarded bluffs mixed in. I think a call is fine in both.

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this is pure gib, there is no way he is playing a weaker ace like this - overbetting the river especially. Hand 1 would def be played by a 2 and a jack this way but there is also a lot of air mixed in there, its pretty close though but id prob fold.
I actually think hand 2 is closer as this looks a lot like hearts to me, i dont c him betting the turn this weak with too many good hands but i could be wrong, a lot of ppl at those stakes like to lead into the raiser with sets and think their hand is invincible so they dont defend against draws with adequate bets (like he did), against a good player who prob wouldnt bet this small on turn with a good hand - more of a call, against a poor player, i fold. Against an unknown - id fold, not getting good odds to call, he plays sets like this a lot i think and although an aggro player would play hearts like this a decent amount of the time, with no reads and all other factors, seems like a fold

both r very close IMO though and if u had seen a single overbet bluff from either of them on the river or had any other sort of read - could change either of the hands into a call.

Unknown Soldier · #10 10-01-2007, 03:58 AM

fold 1, not close really.

2, meh id probably fold too because it's an overbet i guess.