25NL: A pair of QQ folds

tw0please · #1 12-28-2006, 08:33 PM

Donk bettor in hand 1 in 44/7/.16 over 50 hands. Everyone else is unknown. Considered raising in hand 1 but being sandwiched between 2 callers made it a fold for me. Is this correct? And is Hand 2 as easy of a fold as I thought it was at the time?

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $75.50
Button: $72.45
SB: $24.70
Hero: $24.65

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4.75, 3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero folds,

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No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.10
UTG+1: $33.15
CO: $27.70
Hero: $33.15
SB: $15.25
BB: $16.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.85, 3 players)
BB bets $3, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12.85, 3 players)
BB is all-in $11.95, UTG raises all-in $19.85, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $7.9 returned to UTG.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36.75, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $36.75)

Results:
Final pot: $36.75

tw0please · #2 12-28-2006, 11:57 PM

Is there nothing to say about these hands?

Unknown Soldier · #3 12-29-2006, 12:01 AM

1: id do the same
2: I'd raise the flop, as played this is tough i think this is a close call, you'll see an overpair alot and a flush draw

tw0please · #4 12-29-2006, 01:16 AM

Thanks for the comments unknown

tw0please · #5 12-29-2006, 01:17 AM

In hand 2, they can't both be on pair + fd can they??

_TKO_ · #6 12-29-2006, 01:27 AM

Hand 1 is good.
Hand 2, I would raise the flop as well. Considering the stack sizes, pushing the flop can't be horrible.

tw0, I think Unknown meant that you'll be up against one player with a pair and the other with a flush draw. FWIW, I would fold this turn as well.

sippin_criss · #7 12-29-2006, 02:07 AM

hand 1 i think is ok, hand 2 id definitely raise the flop and be happy to get it ai, which a flop raise effectively does anyways.

HoldenFoldem · #8 12-29-2006, 02:07 AM

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Donk bettor in hand 1 in 44/7/.16 over 50 hands. Everyone else is unknown. Considered raising in hand 1 but being sandwiched between 2 callers made it a fold for me. Is this correct? And is Hand 2 as easy of a fold as I thought it was at the time?

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
4 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $75.50
Button: $72.45
SB: $24.70
Hero: $24.65

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, Button calls, SB calls, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG folds, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($4.75, 3 players)
SB bets $1, Hero folds,

Poker Stars
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.10/$0.25
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $24.10
UTG+1: $33.15
CO: $27.70
Hero: $33.15
SB: $15.25
BB: $16.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.25, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($3.85, 3 players)
BB bets $3, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($12.85, 3 players)
BB is all-in $11.95, UTG raises all-in $19.85, Hero folds.
Uncalled bets: $7.9 returned to UTG.

River: 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36.75, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $36.75)

Results:
Final pot: $36.75

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Both folds look good to me, although i might have called the first hand $1 bet on the flop to see where that was going, it doesn't look like a strong K th way it is being bet, and it may in fact be the J he s betting.....
but, the fold is cettainly okay , as u are probably behind here now .

Justaguy33 · #9 12-29-2006, 03:28 AM

In hand one why not call if it is raised behind you let it go. If it just gets called and you hit your gutty you are well disguised.

superadvisor · #10 12-29-2006, 03:45 AM

How is anyone folding hand one? This is so weak tight I want to vomit. Semi bluff here, raise it to $4 to see if the guy betting is trying to see a cheap turn to draw to a flush or a gutshot, which is exactly what it looks like he is hoping to get. Raise him and fold if reraised and check through the turn otherwise.