Official Barry Bonds Countdown Thread

[vhawk01]

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It is just like you did above, but with less sarcasm and condescension. You seem to be making the argument that since we cannot do it PERFECTLY, and since we cannot figure out exactly what numbers to add and subtract in each case, that the entire discussion is stupid and illegitimate and a waste of time.

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Careful with the ax, Eugene. I'm not intending to be sarcastic or condescending. I'm being dead serious.

Can we apply the same reasoning to the 12 team NBL made up of mostly Asians? Dead serious question.

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This seems to be lazy, black/white/yellow thinking, IMO

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See what I did there? Do you see what I did right there?

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Why can't you use some subjective judgment to determine a reasonable impact black players would have had, a reasonable impact the hundred-fold increase in the available player pool would have had, and the impact of 14 more teams, and get some subjective impression of what this does to Ruth's numbers? The fun part is, you can't be wrong.


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I did all that. I think Ruth may have hit more than 714, about 764. Dead serious.

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Ok. Care to explain why you think that? 50 more home runs if he were in todays MLB is your belief?

[RedBean]

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Ok. Care to explain why you think that? 50 more home runs if he were in todays MLB is your belief?

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No, 50 more in his own time period, had integration been allowed, and the subsequent expansion that would have resulted.

[vhawk01]

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Ok. Care to explain why you think that? 50 more home runs if he were in todays MLB is your belief?

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No, 50 more in his own time period, had integration been allowed, and the subsequent expansion that would have resulted.

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What type of expansion did you have in mind? From 16 teams to 20? The reason we have 30 teams right now isn't just because we have black athletes. For example, the US population is well over 2x what it was when Ruth played. And that isn't even considering the influx of international players.

[RedBean]

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What type of expansion did you have in mind? From 16 teams to 20? The reason we have 30 teams right now isn't just because we have black athletes. For example, the US population is well over 2x what it was when Ruth played. And that isn't even considering the influx of international players.

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Adding all the negro teams.

[vhawk01]

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What type of expansion did you have in mind? From 16 teams to 20? The reason we have 30 teams right now isn't just because we have black athletes. For example, the US population is well over 2x what it was when Ruth played. And that isn't even considering the influx of international players.

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Adding all the negro teams.

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Why in the world would you do that?

[RedBean]

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Why in the world would you do that?

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Because they can play.

[vhawk01]

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Why in the world would you do that?

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Because they can play.

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Thats not why the league expands, and what I think you are trying to do is give Ruth extra credit for playing in a smaller league when any reasonable analysis would say expansion has hurt Bonds and HELPED Ruth, at least from the perspective of "there should be about 65 teams right now to equal the talent pool/roster spot ratio that Ruth enjoyed."

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RedBean,

Any big plans once this thread dies down?

[BigSoonerFan]

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You've made a lot of assertions. You assert that steroids help hitters more than they hurt them. I don't agree. Care you support that assertion?

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You're kidding, right?

[Gordon Smit]

Les go Barry!!!!!!!