AP infinity plus one - New AP Statement

[Exsubmariner]

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The people that you slur without evidence, rhyme or reason deserve a retraction.

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Okay, I have no evidence that anyone reporting any information on this board is part of any inside scheme.

[ikestoys]

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No Seif HH = Seif cheated in my book.

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tbh, no one really cares about your book.

show da HH and your accusations will be taken seriously. Until then, stfu.

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Seif says he'll produce HHs

+ Seif doesn't produce anything and goes silent on the matter

* (ikestoys logic)

= Seif is exhonerated!


Can't argue with that equation.

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no, youre an idiot

[Cruzincat]

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Both sites and Joe Norton state that he owns 100% of the firms. It was very easy for us to determine that. What is apparently difficult for us is - to believe it.

It's not really surprising that we might have doubts, because this is a privately owned firm, and private owners are not required to reveal very much about their affairs. I own a business as a sole proprietor, just as Mr Norton claims he owns these gambling firms. If I sold someone an option to buy my firm, I'm not required to tell you about that, or to tell anyone else. That's just the way it is. Are you really amazed that I don't have to tell you about my business, or that you have no way of knowing if I have given someone a right to buy me out?

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But if that secrecy allowed you to cheat your customers and they find out about it, would you be able to continue your business and maintain that secrecy, or would you have to become more transparent in the future?

[Cruzincat]

Open letter to AP:
I had to trust you in the past when I loaded money onto your site. I didn't know who ran your company. I had to trust that my money would be safe up to the point I put it at risk.
Now we find out that when we put our money at risk, there was a possibility that someone at our table had an unfair advantage. You finally even had to admit that. You now want us to trust you and keep playing on your site and even load more money into your site, and you have not even changed your ways, as far as we know, because you are maintaining that veil of secrecy.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!
I am waiting. I am watching. I am posting my thoughts here and elsewhere. I am spreading the word. Do the right thing or stop doing it altogether. This is, afterall, only money from my entertainment budget.

edit: Doing the right thing starts with more transparency in who was running the company when this was going on and who is running it now.

[TheTruthSpeaks]

play nice

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For AP to show their honesty, it needs to confess to stuff that is not public. One obvious way of checking that they are doing this is by deliberately keeping known stuff private.

AP do not know what we know. Thus, if they're hiding something, they don't know if they will get caught.

Thus, the only way for them to come clean is to come completely clean.

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For people who are supposedly poker players, this really should not be a hard concept to grasp.

[ikestoys]

please keep discussion on track

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Boy, the battle between ike and exsub for biggest retard in these threads is going down to the wire.

[TheTruthSpeaks]

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Boy, the battle between ike and exsub for biggest retard in these threads is going down to the wire.

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Ike is easily ahead due to volume.

And Ike it wasn't just THAT particular post of yours, it's ALL of your posts.

[augie_]

seif deserves all of this until HE comes up with the HH's. I'd bet you large amounts of money that if someone accused Greg Raymer of cheating in a particular hand or session on pokerstars, he'd (or someone else within pokerstars) would come up with the hand IMMEDIATELY. the guy claims to be down a million dollars on AP and can't come up with a HH?