KK in reraised pot, ragged board. getting action deepstacked

villain is 32/14/4. I`m 16/10/5. I know my flop bet sucked big time. Should have made it like 12$.

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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

BB ($37.70)
UTG ($30)
MP ($116.45)
Button ($131.20)
Hero ($122)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG folds, MP calls $6.

Flop: ($17) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $20.

Turn: ($77) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets $30</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $77

[yntm3]

Probably playing this the same without reads. Well I hope I'd be able too...

[Fiksdal]

you are deep but this is a re-raised pot and an aggro villain will surely play TT-QQ like this. I felt here by shoving the flop. As played I shove the turn.

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you are deep but this is a re-raised pot and an aggro villain will surely play TT-QQ like this. I felt here by shoving the flop. As played I shove the turn.

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He is pretty much pot commiting himself with those betsizes ;(

Also, evthought he was loose, I haven`t seen him play a big pot without the goods. Don`t you think he would rather check turn here with QQ ?

[Fiksdal]

I think you are giving villain too much credit here. Most 50NL players, even regs, play fit or fold poker and don't think enough in ranges. This is a villain who probably doesn't get away from JJ/QQ on this board, and plays all his overpairs aggresiveley as a standard.

Also, although he could have flat called your 3bet with AA, I think most 50NL players will 4bet AA here. AA has to be outweighted in his range IMO. Also, keep in mind that there are far more combos of TT/JJ/QQ than there are of sets. Sets are certainly possible but less likely than overpairs IMO.

[Jouster777]

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you are deep but this is a re-raised pot and an aggro villain will surely play TT-QQ like this. I felt here by shoving the flop. As played I shove the turn.

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He is pretty much pot commiting himself with those betsizes ;(

Also, evthought he was loose, I haven`t seen him play a big pot without the goods. Don`t you think he would rather check turn here with QQ ?

[/ QUOTE ]I don't like felting the flop as its WA/WB and pushing only lets him get away when he's beat while maximizing our losses when we are behind. As played I think villain still has TT-QQ as a big part of his range because we have not shown great strength. I think I call turn and fold if villain pushes river...I know folding river sucks as its a small part of the pot at that point but a river bet is the only thing that would convince me villain doesn't have TT-QQ.

Fiksdal,

True regarding the ranges. But wouldn`t villain rather be checking behind on that turn ? He`s in position, so it`s he could just check behind for pot control there. He knows that with his turn bet the rest of the money is going in no matter what. Does he really wanna stack of 240bb there ? With JJ-QQ he knows that he can only beat AK here, and I doubt that he thinks I would call his flop bet with that.

[Babalatexi]

Wow, shove the turn or then the river! It's a 3-bet pot, you've under-repped your hand by just calling his flop raise and checking the turn. You're only losing to AA and (unlikely) sets, ahead of TT-QQ and AK/AQ. I definitely either go all-in on the turn here, or if feeling tricky/have good reads on villain min-raise the turn to get villain to shove/call and let us shove the river. No matter what, I wouldn't consider folding KK here in a 3-bet pot.

Thanks for the reply Jouster77, but would villain really convert his hand into a bluff? Being able to control the potsize ? I don`t like calling here, I think it`s either shove or fold.

I must admit tho, I`m playing terribly weak tight lately. maybe I`m wrong and have to grow some balls

[Jouster777]

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Thanks for the reply Jouster77, but would villain really convert his hand into a bluff? Being able to control the potsize ? I don`t like calling here, I think it`s either shove or fold.

I must admit tho, I`m playing terribly weak tight lately. maybe I`m wrong and have to grow some balls

[/ QUOTE ]I look at that smallish turn bet as setting up a river shove or as the equivalent of a river blocking bet allowing a check behind. I'll readily admit to overpassive tendencies though...I may be way off.