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Old 11-28-2007, 01:15 PM
spexel spexel is offline
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fold preflop or c/f flop imo. I imagine he is going to almost pot bet the flop or reraise u if u bet. Time to fold.

Maybe limp call preflop and same c/c/ flop?

Not sure you can continue in your current situation.

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i hate limp calling since villain almost never 3bet
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:16 PM
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i check he bets 1050
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Old 11-28-2007, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: pair + draw vs spewtard

reality check. pokerstove says you're looking at about 54% to win it (not knowing what suits your 6's are) if you have his range at JJ+,AKs,AKo.

even if you add the slightly more unlikely 33 - 55, you're still in the lead here.

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i think you have enough equity in a shove of him folding to justify flipping coins.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:06 PM
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i mean tbh, if we get it in we have like 40% equity almost or something. so like, getting it in can never be terrible, if you ask me.

but firs you should check, becuase leading is retarded here. so just tell us what happens after we cehck

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yeha i was suprised at all the c/c responses. im chking it looking to get it in. esp against a spewtard who will bet call Ak prob 100% of the time.
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Old 11-28-2007, 02:06 PM
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i check he bets 1050

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Old 11-28-2007, 02:58 PM
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yeha i was suprised at all the c/c responses. im chking it looking to get it in. esp against a spewtard who will bet call Ak prob 100% of the time.

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i check he bets 1050

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looks like we get our wish. i can't imagine not shove-raising this bet.

how'd it turn out, killah?
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:02 PM
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i mean tbh, if we get it in we have like 40% equity almost or something. so like, getting it in can never be terrible, if you ask me.

but firs you should check, becuase leading is retarded here. so just tell us what happens after we cehck

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yeha i was suprised at all the c/c responses. im chking it looking to get it in. esp against a spewtard who will bet call Ak prob 100% of the time.

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I was under the impression this is a live game [which makes it less likely that he's calling a shove with AK and overvalue his pictured pairs].

If it is online, I lean towards a shove but let's look at the math.

There are 16 combos of AK and his sooted cousin. There are 24 combos of AA-JJ, creating a ratio of 2/3.

There's 1075 moneys in the pot. After a bet of 1050, each player has 4500 left. Now if we check-shoves and he has AK/AKs, he fold 40% of the time. The other 60%, he'll call w/ JJ+ and we'll have 40% equity.

I won't do algebra but it looks like American Eagles and FSU know what they're talking about.
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Old 11-28-2007, 03:38 PM
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I'm 95% certain that villian either has JJ+ or AK.

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this makes calling preflop horrible. just check/shove now. he'll probably b/c his entire range and just getting it in here is better than any of the alternatives.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

39,600 games 0.016 secs 2,475,000 games/sec

Board: 5c 4d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.965% 54.16% 00.81% 21447 319.00 { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 45.035% 44.23% 00.81% 17515 319.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


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What was your plan if you didn't flop huge?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:00 PM
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I'm 95% certain that villian either has JJ+ or AK.

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this makes calling preflop horrible. just check/shove now. he'll probably b/c his entire range and just getting it in here is better than any of the alternatives.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

39,600 games 0.016 secs 2,475,000 games/sec

Board: 5c 4d 3h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.965% 54.16% 00.81% 21447 319.00 { 6d6h }
Hand 1: 45.035% 44.23% 00.81% 17515 319.00 { JJ+, AKs, AKo }


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What was your plan if you didn't flop huge?

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he was prob gonna c/f the flop?
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Old 11-28-2007, 04:01 PM
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What was your plan if you didn't flop huge?

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i think this is potentially a more interesting question. it's not a set, but it's a flop that puts your 6's in the lead.

you calling preflop purely for set/stack value? anything else, i have to think, is a clear clear c/f, correct?
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