Suppose Tipping Poker Dealers Was Illegal

[pkrporcupine]

I was just skimming through so I dont know if this was brought up or not. Harrahs does these "Marketing" events, basically they are for their high end slot players or something like that. They staff it with some road dealers that live in vegas full time and with break-in dealers. They are paid a flat $20/hour for a short weekends work. They had suggested to do this for the WSOP and there was an uproar of course from the "old timers" and it was squashed.
Now if I was promised a full time schedule, min 40 a week, with bennifits, then I think $20/hour is pretty good. That also depends on not having any other options too, but I would go for it and see how it goes.

Not to stir the [censored] pot but I think this is a very usefull discussion.

[Donkey-Milker]

who is this sklansky guy?

is he a dealer?

why is his name in red?

[Dranoel]

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who is this sklansky guy?

is he a dealer?

why is his name in red?

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He's your Dad... [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]


Wiki on the man...

[antipeon]

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Everybody wins with electronic tables.

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yeah you're totally right!! except for the dealers who will lose their jobs. wouldn't be the first time people lost their jobs due to machines doing the work for them.

[fatshaft]

FTW? Anybody?

[TroutMaskReplica]

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FTW? Anybody?

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[PBear]

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would reasonably good dealers who chose to remain dealers make as much or more than they do now?

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It would be about a $12-14/hr job with benefits is my guess.

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Even if it were a $16-18/hr the number of good dealers would decrease. A very good dealer who keeps the game moving (and it tipped well) can deal 40 hands an hour @ dealing 75% utilization which is $30 per hour.

Another question is "what is the optimal pay to that casinos should pay dealers in order to maximize their profit"?

My guess is that casinos wouldn't even do the math nessesary to analyze this question and would just pay the dealers whatever they could get away with. Probably $15 an hour.

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Why? Do most poker players not care if their dealers are crappy? Or are casinos just really bad at making money?

I would think your original guess was right -- casinos would pay whatever they have to keep the dealer quality high enough to keep customers coming in the front door. Just like any other business.

[s33w33d]

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That's why electronic poker tables with no human dealers is the way to go. Alot of old fogey poker players won't like it, but in 10 years it will be VERY RARE to see an actual human dealing poker in a B&M. Mark my words because they are very true. So in my humble view your question is moot. There is no need to raise the rake to compensate for dealers not making 'tips.' Just get rid of the dealers, and then you get rid of the 'tips.'

Everybody wins with electronic tables. The casino makes more money per hour. The players get more hands per hour. The players don't have to tip. The players don't have to endure the missed deals and numerous mistakes dealers are constantly making.

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This is insane. Simply simply insane.

[JohnnyGroomsTD]

Has anyone here ever played on an e-table. Is there an increased risk of cheating and collusion due to a lack of presence by a 3rd party with no vested interest in the game? I would think that the risk of 2 or 3 players teams would be much higher, along with the risk of player disputes over the numerous things that happen at a poker table. Any comments??

[po-Jay-to]

Johnny-
As a former ePoker Room Manager, I can tell you that although there is not a dealer present, a floorman is there to make decisions. Any player that believes collusion is going on can ask the floorman to observe the current table or to investigate previous hands (mucked holecard info is not available) but soft playing may be inferred from the hand history.

I may be biased to ePoker, but I never felt that a live dealer was more in tune with collusion than any of the experienced players within a game. Thus relying on a dealer to detect collusion instead of the players is not as important as the floorman excercising penalties to those caught cheating.

I am in the present minority who thinks that ePoker is better than a live dealer. Playing more hands per hours, no misdeals, no players acting out of turn, no incorrect bet/raise amounts, no dealer tipping, etc. All better for the game/player/casino. If you play to win money then you will win faster (if you lose, you will lose faster also). If you play because you enjoy the game, you will get to play twice as often (twice as many hands per hours). You will have to give up touching 2 plastic cards and tossing chips into the pot (and my favorite-- dragging a pot) but I personally don't enjoy poker because I touch cards, I enjoy poker for all its nature of competition, game theory, chance/skill, and strategic components.