Rainkhan and the 33 versus Alex Kravchenko

[Tyler Durden]

Does anyone feel like discussing this hand?

[MrTimCaum]

Anyone feel like posting the details?

[btmagnetw]

alex pushes for something. khan calls with some guy behind him. he has 33. alex has KQ or something. khan loses some amount.

[Kneel B4 Zod]

I don't recall the exact details, but it was something like this:

play was 6 handed iirc, blinds of 150,000-300,000, with a 40,000 ante.

Alex moved all-in UTG. I don't recall exactly what he had, it was about $4m. Folded to Rain in the SB, who pushed himself (about $10m?). BB folded.

so the pot was $690k pre-flop. just short of $5m probably when the action is on Rain.

edit: I'm more used to playing cash games, where I think this is a fold. as this point in the tournament, the push is ok according to MTT'ers, but I know nothing about tournaments.

[Tyler Durden]

Sure, sorry.

6 handed, Kravchenko goes all-in UTG for 2.66 million (as reported by Pokernews.com) w/ a BB of 300K (I think). Action folds to Rainkhan who overshoves from the SB for 9.3 million.

Rainkhan - 33
Kravchenko - KJ

[phiphika1453]

what was everyone elses' chip stacks?

[WarDekar]

Yeah... What's the big deal?

[Cornell Fiji]

TD,
I didnt go through the numbers again but I think when I was watching it Kahn needed about 42.5% equity for the shove to be +cEV plus.

Mitigating factors that could cause you to not want to take a cEV edge are:
-cEV deviating from $ev because of prizepool jumps (for more info see ICM modeling)
-gigabet blocks. (for more info see thread in MTT forum sticky)

while both of those factors come into play in this hand given the payout structure, Kahn's stack and the stacks of others at the table this is still a a pretty clear $ev+ shove

[DonkeyChip]

IIRC, they were the two shortest stacks and Yang already had the big stack. The BB thought for a while before he folded and the BB was playing pretty tight so it appears that the BB threw away something at least decent.

I think the arguement against it is that he's either a coinflip or crushed and he's not getting good enough odds. But IIRC, the SS here wasn't pushing that often and I think was UTG (somebody please verify/dispute that) and he still had Yang left to act when he pushed (Yang had already shown he would call light). So he has to have something and Khan should know he's at best a coinflip. If the better MTTers say it's a good play then I will defer to them but I think it was just too thin.

[mflip]

Rahme was going to call if Kahn didn't, so wouldn't Giga's block theory work here for Kahn because if he folds the chips most likely go to his immediate left? (I know the size of the blocks have some effect here but don't understand it well enough to know exactly how)