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Old 11-09-2006, 11:32 AM
CWilly CWilly is offline
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Default Allin players cards get mucked

An interesting hand took place at my local casino last week. We were down to 5 and ON THE BUBBLE(!!!) and a guy pushes allin over the top of the pre flop raiser. The PFR is deliberating calling but the allin player thinks that he's folded and throws his cards towards the muck (but they are not actually lost in the muck). The floor rules that the PFR gets to double up off the allin player even though he hadnt actually called the allin, leaving allin guy with 300 chips! Needless to say, he wasnt very impressed and busted soon after. Such a sick way to bust on the bubble as he had quite a decent stack!

Is this ruling standard?
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Old 11-09-2006, 11:59 AM
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An interesting hand took place at my local casino last week. We were down to 5 and ON THE BUBBLE(!!!) and a guy pushes allin over the top of the pre flop raiser. The PFR is deliberating calling but the allin player thinks that he's folded and throws his cards towards the muck (but they are not actually lost in the muck). The floor rules that the PFR gets to double up off the allin player even though he hadnt actually called the allin, leaving allin guy with 300 chips! Needless to say, he wasnt very impressed and busted soon after. Such a sick way to bust on the bubble as he had quite a decent stack!

Is this ruling standard?

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It is only standard in casinos that are unfamiliar with poker.
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:17 PM
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All-in player == clueless
Floor == clueless

Wouldn't it be nice to have some posts like "PlayerA paid close attention to the action and acted so that there would be no need to call the Floor ....."
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Old 11-09-2006, 12:52 PM
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Wow, that's ridiculous. Rules clearly state that if a player's cards are identifiable, the spirit of the game is to be honored.

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Wouldn't it be nice to have some posts like "PlayerA paid close attention to the action and acted so that there would be no need to call the Floor ....."

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Funny, but that's like asking for the news to report, "at the intersection of Main and High St, nobody did anything notable to anybody and everyone went among their business as normal". Obviously a vast majority of hands fit your description. We only post the out-of-ordinary. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-09-2006, 01:58 PM
F0rtysxity F0rtysxity is offline
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**hijack**

At my local cardroom. On the third hand or so of a final table a player goes all in. The dealer though takes his cards and puts them in the muck thinking he was folding (all in sits in one seat). The floor is called is it is ruled (not incorrectly) that the raise stands and that his hand is dead. Everyone folds to the BB who says, "sorry, i need the money" and raises winning the hand.
Raiser is eliminated.

Ill way to lose a final table.
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Old 11-09-2006, 02:59 PM
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thats got to be one of the worst floor calls ever.

So the guy "intended" to call but never did it.

The guys cards were technically mucked, but not in them , so they were retrivable.


I suggest never going back
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Old 11-09-2006, 03:10 PM
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What's the deal with people releasing their hands before the pot is pushed????
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Old 11-09-2006, 03:14 PM
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The PFR is deliberating calling but the allin player thinks that he's folded and throws his cards towards the muck

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Why would he think the PFR mucked? What happened to make him think that?
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Old 11-09-2006, 03:15 PM
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What's the deal with people releasing their hands before the pot is pushed????

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Hold onto your cards until the dealer starts pushing the chips to you. How [censored] hard is that to remember?


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Old 11-09-2006, 03:20 PM
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What's the deal with people releasing their hands before the pot is pushed????

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My observation is that in the modern age players would rather get out of their seat in order to put on a telegenic demonstration rather than just sit down and quietly play poker.

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