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Old 11-30-2007, 01:11 PM
VayaConDios VayaConDios is offline
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Default Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?

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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?

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Theres not much documentation on the Vietnam side, but the Khmer Rouge were pretty terrible, and there rise to power was correlated with us leaving.

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Wow.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: Could We Have Won Vietnam?

We could have won the Vietnam War very easily. However the political consequences of the actions needed to win the vietnam war would have been disasterous.

People complain that the politicians screwed us in vietnam but they ignore the fact that they were trying to keep us out of WWIII in the process.

Setting up a puppet state in SE Asia is entirely different than what we did in Central America.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:14 PM
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Someone probably already said this, but never going in in the first place would have been a huge victory.
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Old 11-30-2007, 01:21 PM
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Is there documentation for 1,000,000+ slaughtered after we left?

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Theres not much documentation on the Vietnam side, but the Khmer Rouge were pretty terrible, and there rise to power was correlated with us leaving.

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Wow.

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? pretty non controversial imo
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:00 PM
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Washington could have used nukes.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:44 PM
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Their rise to power was also correlated with our presence in Indochina. Historians Ben Kiernan and Taylor Owen have used a combination of sophisticated satellite mapping, recently unclassified data about the extent of bombing activities, and peasant testimony, to argue that there was a strong correlation between villages targeted by U.S. bombing and recruitment of peasants by the Khmer Rouge. Kiernan and Owen argue that "Civilian casualties in Cambodia drove an enraged populace into the arms of an insurgency that had enjoyed relatively little support until the bombing began."

http://www.yale.edu/cgp/Walrus_Cambo...bing_OCT06.pdf
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:46 PM
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None of this, however, answers my question, though, about documentation of the "bloodbath" that occurred in Vietnam after we left.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:57 PM
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vietnam - its not well documented, it did happen

the Khmer rouge came to power through the help of the viet cong, other factors did play, but the support of the viet cong tipped the scales. Us leaving the SV to the viet cong allowed the viet cong to increase there influence in cambodia...
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:04 PM
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How could it be described in any other way? 6,727,084 tons of bombs were dropped on Indochina during the Vietnam War. The bulk were dropped on South Vietnam, the "country" were were supposed to be defending. This is roughly twice the tonnage dropped by the Allies in World War II in both the European and Pacific theaters combined. One of every twelve South Vietnamese became a refugee because of the bombing.

How is this not terrorism?
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Old 11-30-2007, 03:11 PM
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One of every twelve South Vietnamese became a refugee because of the bombing.

How is this not terrorism?

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andy,

Do you believe those refugees were mainly a) communist sympathizers or b) RVN supporters or does it matter?

And what is the standard for collateral damage being so disproportional (via the actual/potential harm being fought *if* such a goal is valid), so as for it to be correctly labeled "terrorism"?
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